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Bottom line, if a manual box had been available, I would have gone for a manual box. Last edited by The_Tok'Ra; 04-19-2024 at 02:10 PM.. |
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Good job the car didn't have an auto box! Still like the auto, but there's still 20% when I'd like to go back to a manual. But finding BMWs with manuals can be hard...... |
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04-19-2024, 02:26 PM | #27 | |
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I watched and read SO many reviews of the G20 series cars with the ZF gearbox and they all raved about it so much. Don't get me wrong though, the box is very, very clever, and although I never drove one of those early 3 speed autoboxes you used to get in cars from many years ago, it was clear they were bloody awful even as a passenger, but these new 8 or even 9 speed ZF boxes are a wonder.... But, do the majority of us really need 8 gears? My last two cars were both 6 speed manuals and I found that to be just right. No doubt the 8 gears help with efficency, but then, I bet that ZF 8 speed auto box weighs a fair bit more than the 6 manual box, and then it's just extra weight you're lugging around all the time. And.. I miss my clutch peddal.. You don't realise how usefull it is to be able to feather the clutch how you want to and when you want to, until you can't! LOL!! Last edited by The_Tok'Ra; 04-19-2024 at 02:35 PM.. |
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You should still be able to do that with the auto as well. It shouldn’t creep forward unless you completely come off the brake at the end? |
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Sometimes the opposite applies too, I want to simply coast up to a set of lights like I would do in a manual car, with the clutch fully in (i.e. foot the the floor), and just gently feather the brake pedal to a gracefull stop. But nope, the car drops down into 2nd or 1st and with the autobox still engaged the engine slows the car to a crawl and I need to press the go pedal again to actually get to the triffic lights. |
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The thing is, I wanted the clutch to disengage 5 seconds before it did. And while You can change into neutral while the car is moving, It starts binging and bonging at you like you've threatened to drive off a cliff and it doesn't want to die. LOL |
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04-19-2024, 02:53 PM | #32 | |
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Times change however not least driven forward by the relentless forward march of hybrid and full electric vehicles, not to mention the benefits on emissions and fuel consumption across the board regardless of by what propulsion system the car employs. The 8 speed auto is a masterpiece in engineering design and its capability when it comes to achieving fuel consumption figures quite remarkable in which regard the 8 ratios v the 6 ratios of a manual no doubt play a large part especially when the box is left in full auto mode. At least I have very fond memories of my E92 335i with its 6 speed manual and especially its several hundreds of miles trip from home to Austria and back...off the clock on a couple of de-restricted autobahns in Germany....wife was terrified! ![]() |
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LOL! I've never been on an Autobahn, but I bet is is rather thrilling! At least in Gernany drivers have good lane disipline and actually look in their mirrors. |
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Economy though on my 320i on a run is impressive.....actually better than my X1 with its 3 pot 1.5 engine..... Just have to continue enjoying the car, and after a good wash today in the bright sunshine it looks so impressive...... |
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04-19-2024, 04:18 PM | #36 | |
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I had a 1.6 TDI Octavia breifly, before I had the 2.0 TDI Octavaia, and the fuel economy was practically identical, with the 2.0 TDI very slightly better. And the 2.0 TDI had 45 more BHP, a very noticeable, and enjoyable difference. |
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04-19-2024, 04:41 PM | #37 | |
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The 320i just cruises along.......autobox doing its thing........feel like you could just gobble up the miles. |
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04-19-2024, 04:54 PM | #38 | |
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I could have done a better job my self, blindfolded, with my hands tied behind my back! It was THAT bad! Anyway, one of the solutions the dealer offered was to swap the used Ocatvia for a brand new Fabia Estate with the 1.2 ltr petrol engine, So I thought OK, I'm willing to come and go a bit, I'll take it for a test drive. It was great around town, very nippy!, but thankfully their test route had a bit of motorway on it, and when I got it on the motorway... with a fairly strong head wind, I was foot to the floor to try to keep it at 65 MPH and the fuel economy was in single digits! I spent the rest of the test drive ranting at the salesman that due to the gearbox gearing, this car was not fit for purpose! LOL!! I ended up getting a full refund in the end, and bought the 2.0 TDI from another main dealer. |
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04-20-2024, 01:47 AM | #39 | |
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For me it’s a pain when i park on my drive I need to creep forward to get the parking sensors in the red up against the garage door and the engine cuts out. And there’s the slow moving stop - start traffic.. more noticeable where you maybe slowing based on engine braking and then the engine is disengaged and you coast so have to apply the brakes. It’s just that final level of anticipation that no autobox can do, combined with driving to the “quirks” of a specific vehicle.. MHT etc. Eg Driving the last gen 330e was more difficult because the creeping was engineered in via the electric motor, it was relatively strong and required quite a lot of brake pressure to overcome compared to a normal auto which made it less smooth in stop-go. And my old Volvo t5 slush box.. wouldn’t lockup until over 50mph which made 50mph speed limits an excercise in trying to stay just over to avoid the rubber-band effect…. |
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04-20-2024, 03:08 AM | #40 |
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Think after all this discussion over auto systems with or without MHT they are very clever.......but perhaps aren't yet able to match the smoothness of a well trained human.
But it seems another of manufacturers are moving to just offering auto so for me its a case of just learning its characteristics..............and when I retire buy a classic manual car LOL. |
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04-20-2024, 01:49 PM | #42 | |
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Can’t speak for the g20, but the f30 330e had noticeably “softer” gearbox/gearshift calibration compared to the other models. |
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04-21-2024, 05:15 AM | #43 |
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By chance I found a instrument cluster setting which in confort mode and normal D drive shows power % not rpm. Also shows the car battery charging. The issues or should I say characteristics I have talked about aren't when the battery is charging......
As said before, I'll just get it check when it goes in for service. |
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