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      10-06-2020, 02:53 PM   #1
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C&D M440i Xdrive Review

Interesting read. Lots of praise for the 3 series and M340i in general. Also surprising is that the M340i has much better grip?


https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/
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This basically sums up the first impression.

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Traditionalists will say the new 4-series maintains only a passing resemblance to a BMW, like an unlicensed rendering in a video game. They'll also note the attention-snaring vertically oriented grille. But what's most disappointing is that it's not as good to drive as we'd expect a sporty BMW coupe to be.
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Same author also wrote this about the Bronco :

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Fitted with the optional 250-hp 2.0-liter four and eight-speed automatic, the pre-production Sport had plenty of power. But more interesting was the deep, throaty engine note that played through its stereo speakers and gave the impression of more than four cylinders under the hood. The Ford folks we pressed for an explanation were stingy on specifics but noted that the Sport is closer to production than the prototype two-door we experienced. The prototype's 2.3-liter four had the buzzy thrum of a four-cylinder Mustang, but it's likely that it'll sound better when it reaches production. Here's hoping the production Bronco sounds as tough as the Sport.
You'll have to allow reading this review of the M440 with a grain of salt methinks. Plus he says the M440 does 0-60 in 3.8 seconds - that's the fastest I've heard of from anyone and I'm like 95% sure is a half-second off (4.3 seconds was the official 0-60 time last I checked the official website).
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He says the M440 does 0-60 in 3.8 seconds - that's the fastest I've heard of from anyone and I'm like 95% sure is a half-second off (4.3 seconds was the official 0-60 time last I checked the official website).
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Standing-start accel times omit 1-ft rollout of 0.3 sec.
So realistically, about 4.1 seconds, which seems reasonable considering the Germans are known to underrate.

Overall I found the authors points to seem pretty reasonable, they've previously complained about grip, size/weight, and steering in other 3-series reviews.
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So realistically, about 4.1 seconds, which seems reasonable considering the Germans are known to underrate.

Overall I found the authors points to seem pretty reasonable, they've previously complained about grip, size/weight, and steering in other 3-series reviews.
The issue with this review (assuming the M440i and M340i are for the most part similar driving) is that they praised the M340i highly. So the big question is whether there is a big difference in dynamics between the sedan and coupe, or are they talking out of both sides of their mouths.
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So realistically, about 4.1 seconds, which seems reasonable considering the Germans are known to underrate.

Overall I found the authors points to seem pretty reasonable, they've previously complained about grip, size/weight, and steering in other 3-series reviews.
The issue with this review (assuming the M440i and M340i are for the most part similar driving) is that they praised the M340i highly. So the big question is whether there is a big difference in dynamics between the sedan and coupe, or are they talking out of both sides of their mouths.
Got to remember reviewers are different too. They panned the 330i (with all the M goodies) as well before.
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Maybe the added weight plus they basically implied this is not 50/50 weight distribution. I guess we wait for other reviews lol....
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Got to remember reviewers are different too. They panned the 330i (with all the M goodies) as well before.
True. I'll have to test drive one. If the only issue is steering feel, then it's still going to be best in class just like the M340i (in my opinion).
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I'm honestly expecting it to be top performer in its class as Burrcold mentioned but this article made me scratch my head some. Especially the fact that the grip is way down compared to a RWD M340i when you consider the new 4er is quite a bit lower, wider, and longer.

I've said this before too but I also expected the 0-60 times to be quicker for the 440. I know that's not the only thing that matters but it essentially weighs the same as the awd M340 and C&D quotes the RWD M340i at the same 0-60 as the M440ix? The 2 door version should be the quicker and more sports version IMO as the previous gen was marketed etc
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Maybe the added weight plus they basically implied this is not 50/50 weight distribution. I guess we wait for other reviews lol....
Yeah, almost 54% / 46% split isn't exactly the 50/50 of the M340.

In a different article from a few months back :
https://www.bmwblog.com/2020/05/31/l...-series-m440i/
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The coupe also gave the BMW engineers certain physical advantages to work with, sitting almost six centimeters lower to the road and with a 21-millimeter-lower centre of gravity than the 3 Series Sedan. In order to counteract the extra weight of the additional stiffening elements and maintain optimal 50/50 weight distribution, the BMW 4 Series Coupe brings lightweight thinking to the front-end structure. The bonnet, front wings and doors are made entirely from aluminum, unlike on the 3 Series. And in other areas of the car, multi-phase and higher-strength steels give the body even greater rigidity without increasing weight by any noticeable degree.
50/50 to 54/46 is not insignificant...

edit - just checked BMWusa.com's site, and they have it listed at 53.8/46.2, so that appears to be accurate.
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Got to remember reviewers are different too. They panned the 330i (with all the M goodies) as well before.
With C&D I've sometimes seen even the same reviewer be inconsistent with their thoughts.

I recall one review of the M340i where the reviewer called the ride "arthritic" and "harsh", and in another review the same reviewer said the ride was "smooth". In both reviews he had the same car with adaptive suspension.

I often take C&D reviews with a grain of salt. That being said, I still do read them and find them entertaining, and still find some value in getting an overall picture of the car.

Regardless, with the 4 series, this may also be a case of expectations of a sporty 2 door coupe vs. a 4 door sedan. I wouldn't be surprised if C&D change their tone later on, and once they begin to compare with competitors.

Or maybe BMW is late on their annual contribution to C&D
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I think the only manufacturer that appears to issue contributions is Genesis/ Kia/Hyundai.
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It does get old reading the same "numb steering" complaints from some of these car reviewers. But most journals have praised the M340 so one would think they'd give the M440 the same treatment IF it actually does drive well
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Looks like the review was taken down......

Let's hear some conspiracy theories.
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Looks like the review was taken down......

Let's hear some conspiracy theories.
Posted before embargo? No other press has given a review of the car yet. Otherwise not sure.
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Posted before embargo? No other press has given a review of the car yet. Otherwise not sure.
That's likely it
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Oh boy, this is going to get a lot of German lederhosen in a bunch. Here's a quote I managed to find online before they took it down.

"It's now basically a two-ton car in the top M440i xDrive trim, with our test car placing a substantial 53.8 percent of that mass on its front wheels. Even with 19-inch Michelin Pilot Sport 4S summer tires, it managed only 0.91 g of skidpad grip, and understeer dominates. 

The M440i's variable-ratio steering is short on tactility and has an almost rubbery buildup of force as you turn off-center.

The rack's rather quick ratio only amplifies its artificial feel. Factor in the compliant ride from the adaptive dampers and the 4 has veered into grand-touring territory."

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Why would it be taken down? There's a couple guys on this forum already who's vehicles are on a ship coming stateside.

If BMW didn't want them to review the car, why would they have given them one in the first place? Lol
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Why would it be taken down? There's a couple guys on this forum already who's vehicles are on a ship coming stateside.

If BMW didn't want them to review the car, why would they have given them one in the first place? Lol
They obviously want a review, but perhaps they had an embargo in place so they all come out at the same time and shine a less negative light than having only one review out which pans the car.
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Why would it be taken down? There's a couple guys on this forum already who's vehicles are on a ship coming stateside.

If BMW didn't want them to review the car, why would they have given them one in the first place? Lol
They obviously want a review, but perhaps they had an embargo in place so they all come out at the same time and shine a less negative light than having only one review out which pans the car.
Makes sense...I am still going to drive one of them before making my own conclusions. However after seeing the specs/stats it would be hard to convince me to drop my M340 for the M440 based on performance alone
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Makes sense...I am still going to drive one of them before making my own conclusions. However after seeing the specs/stats it would be hard to convince me to drop my M340 for the M440 based on performance alone
I wouldn't drop your 3 for a 4. There will likely be very little and insignificant differences that aren't really worth it, not to mention depreciation will likely hurt.
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