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      10-02-2019, 05:05 PM   #1189
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Ran across this. Not sure if this is a sign of things to come.

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      10-02-2019, 11:27 PM   #1190
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Toyota has been able to successfully convince many journalists and the public at large that their badge-engineered sports vehicles (FR-S, Supra) are bespoke Toyota creations, despite fairly minor revisions from their donor vehicles. Conversely, FIAT partnered with Mazda in the creation of the 124 Spider and has been less successful in this regard despite the vehicle using a unique engine and drivetrain.
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Ran across this. Not sure if this is a sign of things to come.

There's more than meets the eye on this story.
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Toyota has been able to successfully convince many journalists and the public at large that their badge-engineered sports vehicles (FR-S, Supra) are bespoke Toyota creations, despite fairly minor revisions from their donor vehicles. Conversely, FIAT partnered with Mazda in the creation of the 124 Spider and has been less successful in this regard despite the vehicle using a unique engine and drivetrain.
Where have they said they have been bespoke Toyota creations? They don't even put effort into convincing others of what they did do, let alone claim they are bespoke Toyota products.
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There's more than meets the eye on this story.
Care to share? I only posted this up as something I ran across. If you have info, why not spill it?
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Welp that didn't take long .....
Went to the local Toyota for the first service on the beater 2020 Corolla SE and took a sales guy down for some numbers
Guess Supra LEs with premium pack can be had for around $2k below msrp now
Hard pass , still can't get over all them fake vents
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Aside from the Front Turn Signal Coolers and the Door Striker Plate Coolers, are there other fake vents?

My M Coupe, like just about every fairly recent M Car, had fake vents on the front fenders, so I'll forgive Toyota if those are fake too.
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in Toyota's defense, they said the fake vents are for after markets, they can all be popped to be functionally for whatever aftermarket wants to put on them...
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in Toyota's defense, they said the fake vents are for after markets, they can all be popped to be functionally for whatever aftermarket wants to put on them...
Not really:

https://jalopnik.com/i-just-dont-bel...ine-1831838527
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To me it doesnt matter if I have to make ducting or not, as long as I dont have to cut up the beauty side of hood/fender/etc and repaint my brand new panels then I am happy.
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Oh, so the M2C that has been losing was a manual? This is what I hate about tests. They never do apples to apples, oh wait no manual supra around.
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I still haven't seen anyone could do 12.0 sec 1/4 and 3.0 sec 0-60 as claimed when the Supra just came out. Maybe that was just Toyota marketting bs.
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I still haven't seen anyone could do 12.0 sec 1/4 and 3.0 sec 0-60 as claimed when the Supra just came out. Maybe that was just Toyota marketting bs.
When did the Supra claim 3.0 seconds? That's M5/Tesla territory. Do you mean 4.0?
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I still haven't seen anyone could do 12.0 sec 1/4 and 3.0 sec 0-60 as claimed when the Supra just came out. Maybe that was just Toyota marketting bs.
The press release said 0-60 in 4.1... and I believe it was able to do 0-60 in 3.8 sec as tested by C&D.

https://pressroom.toyota.com/legend-...s-world-debut/

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Yet, the 2020 Supra is a fully forward-looking sports car, brimming with a cutting-edge powertrain, chassis and multimedia technology. Like the pinnacle of the previous Supra series, the 2020 model will be powered by a turbocharged inline six-cylinder engine. The new Supra’s 3.0-liter twin-scroll turbo six will produce 335 hp and 365 lb-ft of torque and will be teamed with a quick-shifting 8-speed automatic transmission with paddle shifters. Toyota projects 0-60 mph acceleration in 4.1 seconds, which makes this the quickest toyota-branded production vehicle to date.
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I just think there's a lot more to the story besides Toyota cancelling his warranty on a steering rack because tune. For most of these YouTube people there's ALWAYS more to the story than meets the eyes.

Wouldn't put it pass anyone of these YouTube guys to actually twist the story around to get a few more clicks, IMO. I recall some Tuber douche getting caught red-handed by a few motorcycle guys when he was doing burn-outs in his Lambo on a BUSY MOUNTAIN ROAD and nearly side-swiped a couple of riders. One of his burn-outs came within INCHES of hitting a motorcyclist head-on.

My personal experience with most of these "personalities" are they're all douches in real life and whatever it is that they do, getting clicks is the first and foremost priority. So believe nothing, question everything is my motto when it comes to videos like this.

They offer nothing more than entertainment IMO.
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Oh, so the M2C that has been losing was a manual? This is what I hate about tests. They never do apples to apples, oh wait no manual supra around.
Losing by only 9/100ths of a second in the 400m (1/4 mile) is incredibly impressive for a car with 70 less hp and with a 'slushbox' vs a DCT. You have to give credit where credit is due.
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The press release said 0-60 in 4.1... and I believe it was able to do 0-60 in 3.8 sec as tested by C&D.

https://pressroom.toyota.com/legend-...s-world-debut/



12.0 sec 1/4

Those times have not been replicated by other magazines. Besides, those times are a little fast for its power/weight ratio. I mean if you're the only who could obtain those numbers but others could not, then most likely others are more accurate.

For example, MotorWeek did 12.8 sec 1/4 although their time tends to be higher vs. other publication, but a fair number would be 12.5, NOT 12.0 flat. Also I've seen a couple of vid where they drag race the Supra vs. a Mustang GT and they are basically neck and neck, and I know for a fact that the Mustang is no where near 12.0 1/4.
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in Toyota's defense, they said the fake vents are for after markets, they can all be popped to be functionally for whatever aftermarket wants to put on them...
Not really:

https://jalopnik.com/i-just-dont-believe-what-the-toyota-supras-chief-engine-1831838527
Fair enough, but at least not have to cut from the top side to start with is better than have to
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Fair enough, but at least not have to cut from the top side to start with is better than have to
So you’re basically saying all fake vents on all cars are a good thing, because they have the potential to be real vents if you cut them open??
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