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      01-15-2019, 05:14 AM   #111
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What's up with the headrest? Looks like it'll force your head forward, looks horribly uncomfortable.

Even the preview image from one of the videos above, you can see the driver has his head forced forward.
What the hell, how can you sit like that?

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I already get annoyed with the "active" headrests in my E92 that make it really hard to achieve a comfortable seat position, but this looks even worse, like a long drive will truly f**k up my neck.
This car is tiny looking at the image comparing the driver. It's shorter than a brz. It's based on the z4 chassis.
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      01-15-2019, 06:06 AM   #112
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A good inside look into the new Supra by Schmeagle. You get a really good idea of all the shared bmw parts in there. And of course dude already bought one.

I donít know what it is but I just find him annoying.
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      01-15-2019, 06:15 AM   #113
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I said it in the other Supra thread, but the price is smack dab in the middle of where you have higher performing cars. Obviously this will appeal to all the people who have been pining for a or any Supra to return but after they buy cars, there wonít be a high volume of sales. I think they would have been better served by putting some higher output motor into the 86 which is what everyone has asked for but never produced outside aftermarket. Itís a shame that Toyota could have put their twist onto the car it decided to leave it purely BMW with exception of of badges.

I think I would rather have the Z4 despite preferring a coupe in this case. But for the money think about it, you could have a Stingray, ZL1, M2, GLA45, etc. if youíre willing to buy a 1-2 year old CPO car, you could get a Cayman.
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      01-15-2019, 06:32 AM   #114
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Everyone with a MkIV is smiling right now.
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this is bizarre. which part of the car is toyota? just the body kit?
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      01-15-2019, 06:56 AM   #116
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Looks like the interior bits borrowed are a generation older. The climate control and ZF8 shifter are from an F-chassis BMW, and it's only using iDrive 6 rather than 7 as per the Z4. Also at least in the UK it's more expensive!

Will be interesting to see what its like to drive anyway, should be fun!
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      01-15-2019, 07:26 AM   #117
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Everyone with a MkIV is smiling right now.
Why, because they own a 30 year old car that is way overrated?

I have no idea if this car is going to be good, but the Supra was not that great and the 2JZ is also way overrated.

There is no room in the automotive industry to produce a "legend" like that anyway. They have optimized every bit of the process, so engineers can't sneak in goodies.
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      01-15-2019, 07:33 AM   #118
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I will say I like the car for what it is... it's effectively a compact Z4 and a light one at that.

The mistake here is giving it the Supra badge... at this point and time; a Supra should be a GTR class car... this is almost like a more powerful FRS. This is a BMW with a Toyota badge.... I am just not sure who Toyota's market for this car will be.
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      01-15-2019, 07:53 AM   #119
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I quite like this and the new Z. Pretty good deal for a quick ďnot BMWĒ BMW. I assume performance is somewhere around M2 levels just like the Z?
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I think the biggest disappointment was the fact that fans were expecting a car to compete with the Nissan GT-R which is clearly not the case with the A90. I’m assuming Toyota wanted to compete more with the Porsche Cayman than anything else. So yeah.. basically a Z4 Coupe as of this point.

I’m not in the market for one so I don’t really care for the car. That being said, I kinda like the exterior and interior design of it.
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I get the 15k, but I don't get how it would be .3 seconds slower. Is it the Supra that much lighter?

I'd pay the 15k just not to have that hideous Toyota steering wheel they put in there.
You know, I only watched a quick clip of the interior, but I think the steering wheel is a BMW one with a Toyota logo instead
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      01-15-2019, 07:55 AM   #122
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I will say I like the car for what it is... it's effectively a compact Z4 and a light one at that.

The mistake here is giving it the Supra badge... at this point and time; a Supra should be a GTR class car... this is almost like a more powerful FRS. This is a BMW with a Toyota badge.... I am just not sure who Toyota's market for this car will be.
This is how I feel as well. It should directly rival the gtr and would certainly be on my radar for a purchase this summer if that was the case. If I wanted a z4 I could just go buy one.
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      01-15-2019, 08:00 AM   #123
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You know, I only watched a quick clip of the interior, but I think the steering wheel is a BMW one with a Toyota logo instead
Yah the shitty non M/M Sport ones.
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      01-15-2019, 08:09 AM   #124
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I think the biggest disappointment was the fact that fans were expecting a car to compete with the Nissan GT-R which is clearly not the case with the A90.
I think that as soon as it became known that it would be build by BMW, sharing the z4 platform (so pretty much from the beginning?) GTR like performance would be out of the question?
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I can't get past the fact that it just looks like an FRS based kit car to me. It's narrow, short wheelbase, and tall. This is so different from the FT-1 concept it's like watching a burger king commercial and then getting the same food in real life. Deflated and lacking the appeal it should have had. Toyota really can't get away from that new Lexus styling and it's exhausting. If you would have told me this was a new LC model, I'd have believed it. Even telling me it was a redesigned FRS I'd believe that. Either of those over the 'mkv supra'
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      01-15-2019, 08:15 AM   #126
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It'll be nice to see something different on the road.

Not a 2+2 though I think so appeal might be limited.
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Over $55k, what's the competition? c7, rs3, gt350, m2c.

The 335hp seems mighty low but sub $50k though, the competition lightens up with the hot hatches, 370z nismo and not much else:

Infiniti q60s $48k but 3,850 lbs and 300hp. The nismo Z comes in at 3,500 lbs but with 350hp so seems like it should give the Supra a run for it's money -- but something not mentioned here is 270 ft-lbs of torque versus the 365 ft-lbs made by the Supra. The Nismo gives up ride comfort and torque and weight so it seems like the Supra is the hands-down winner for those willing to shell out $50k versus the $45k nissan is asking.

Golf R, Focus RS, WRX STI are all at $36k with power ranging 295-345 which is the same power level as the new Supra. And then there are some siblings with the m240i (which actually has the same engine but weighs in at 3,550lbs) and 340i (down to 320hp AND weight up at 3,650).

The only other real competition I see are domestic pony cars the 1SS and Mustang GT which severely undercut the Supra on price being below $40k. They also beat it on power but are both around 500lbs heavier. The inline-four turbo variants of these cars are closer to the Supra in power and weight but the Supra is still lighter but a couple hundred pounds. Overall, and unsurprisingly, Toyota did their segment research and I hope they sell well so we can see a facelifted model around 2022/2024.

I'm still perplexed at the 382hp z4m40i versus the detuned Supra.
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No doubt the media will fawn all over the new Gen5 Supra and wax poetic about how super it is. However, as the previous owner of an MKIV Supra, I was (and have been) hoping for something much more along the lines of a GT-R killer. That's not gonna' happen after yesterday's launch details, of that I'm now certain.

The price point of the prior generation MKIV Supra in today's dollars is ~$85K. Looks like TOY went much lower on price positioning (~$50K) and much more in the direction of an improved GT86/FRS/BRZ for product placement - which after all is a Subaru - and now the Gen5 Supra is actually a BMW.

It appears real Toyota sports cars are still being developed -> BUT for the Lexus brand only, aka the LFA, the LC 500, the RC-F. I rest my case. Let the Stealer markups begin. TMC: If your'e listening, I am disappointed. Please drop a V8 in it from the LS440 (LC 500) or an S65 from the M3, and widen the rear track and rear arches even more.
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4 cylinder will most likely have manual, no one knows about the 6cy version yet, but probably not right away if they do offer it.
It's basically mirroring the Z4, if that's the case it may not have a manual though this might anger the enthusiast cult following of the MKIV. They need to offer a drop top or removable top on this car. As far as price, it starts at the same price as a 4 cylinder z4 for the base 6 cylinder. The M340xi will be faster than this car and have a back seat and 4 doors, and an M2C can be had for around the same price (slightly more) with a DCT and S55 motor, and sub 4 0-60, though with a bolt on this could easily be faster though doesn't have all wheel drive.
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Arrow Supra... Made by BMW...

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You know, I only watched a quick clip of the interior, but I think the steering wheel is a BMW one with a Toyota logo instead

It is MUCH worse than just the steering wheel... I guess BMW is building the Supra for Toyota. Seems that BMW doesn't think they could afford to build a Z4 all by themselves. Such a shame.


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... hoping for something much more along the lines of a GT-R killer ...
I get what you mean, but itís funny to hear this and then remember that the GT-R came out in 2008. Itís too late for anything to be classified a GT-R killer, itís about to die of old age. Speaks to how ahead of its time it was I suppose.
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... hoping for something much more along the lines of a GT-R killer ...
I get what you mean, but it's funny to hear this and then remember that the GT-R came out in 2008. It's too late for anything to be classified a GT-R killer, it's about to die of old age. Speaks to how ahead of its time it was I suppose.
So perhaps the better option is to buy a used, ten year old GTR - rather than a new Supra - and then spend a little more on some bolt ons.
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