[M3GymNut]

Originally Posted by BimmerMat135

Wagon give you car dynamics with a better practicality that a win-win for me.

Better car dynamics? Please explain...

[M3GymNut]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

Compared to a sedan, it just looks better and more complete to some of us, while carrying more stuff, making it easier to put those things in and perhaps most importantly, it has a rear wiper.

Compared to an SUV, it's lower, it's lighter, it handles better and it's easier to get in and out of.

I think they look horrible and not well aerodynamically. I think it'll look cool to see them on the streets here in the states.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

Better car dynamics? Please explain...

He said "car dynamics", not "better car dynamics".

He was talking about the fact that a wagon has very similar driving dynamics to a sedan, which we all agree is generally superior to what an SUV can provide.

Some people seem to be confused. A wagon is a hatchback. The hatchback form factor is popular in general because it offers a larger, easier use opening to the cargo area of the vehicle compared to a sedan. Many hatchbacks, wagons for one, also offer more cargo space than a sedan with a similarly sized footprint.

Over the last couple decades, SUVs have become by far the most popular form of hatchback. You can get all manner of SUVs now, including high performance ones. The issue with those is that, while they can be very quick, just like any other SUV, they are by and large dynamically inferior to a passenger car. A wagon is a great middle ground solution that offers the passenger car chassis with much of the utility factor of the SUV.

So there's the rationale for a high performance wagon, and why many enthusiasts find them to be desirable.

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

Better car dynamics? Please explain...

Where did i say better car dynamics? A M3 Touring will be very similar to the sedan in term of driving while offering suv level of practicality. A X3M will have a much higher COG. Every time i get an X3 as a loaner i feel like driving a bus you sit so much higher.

[Brake_Late]

Originally Posted by pheerIx

Because GT sounds more marketable than a wagon. Put the word "coupe" in anything and it'll sell like hot cakes

I don't know if I'd say hot cakes .... most CS are still just sitting on dealer floors. If they were M3 wagons instead I'd bet money they'd all be gone to homes and like fast.

Glad I still have my Gran Coupe F36 for utility and groceries. Yes, It's missing a pedal, an S55, and four pipes out back but it's still awesome and preferred over any sub 5
x5 platform.
if I need that I key up the LBB X5M for an X
fix.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

I think they look horrible and not well aerodynamically. I think it'll look cool to see them on the streets here in the states.

Hatches are more aero than trunks.

[sturgeongeneral]

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

I think they look horrible and not well aerodynamically. I think it'll look cool to see them on the streets here in the states.

The E91 is a great looking wagon. Offerings from MB and Audi look pretty good too. Not sure if an M3 wagon really makes sense though, but it'd be cool.

That said I don't understand the bewilderment expressed by some here about why people want wagons. People have already explained it, it's pretty obvious. It's just that most Americans for some reason enjoy monstrous SUVs. Granted I get the ton of room and whatnot, whereas a wagon is just the right blend of practicality (typically just enough extra room) and driving enjoyment if done right, and we're talking sport-y wagons anyway.

[Brake_Late]

And they say WE have no taste... lol.
Guess that's why all trends start here
and others follow...

[wdeerfield]

Originally Posted by pheerIx

Would the forum break if BMW announced a M2 Gran Coupe with a hatchback?

add in xdrive and itll have a deposit from me. so long as its s58 and rwd bias.

We already know an m235i gran coupe is in the works with a fwd bias engine when they make the 2er a gran coupe so i cant imagine they would create an m2 gran coupe. you'll see an m4 gran coupe first to take on the rs5 sportback

[blue dragon]

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

What's the big deal on a wagon? Never liked them or even see the interest from others see in them.

Haul stuff and haul @ss at the same time .....

[stefan]

Woah.. I would sell my M2 for this in a heartbeat even if it isn't that great to drive.

[sturgeongeneral]

Originally Posted by Brake_Late

And they say WE have no taste... lol.
Guess that's why all trends start here
and others follow...

I'm American and was referring to automotive taste specifically, but was mostly poking fun.

[brad850csi]

Originally Posted by UNCbigM

Quick informal poll:

Raise your hand if you currently have a wagon somewhere in the garage instead of a mid-sized SUV?

I had a C63 Estate - the 6.2 in an Estate was fun

I'm planning on getting an F11 or maybe a G31 to pair up with my F13 M6.

[brad850csi]

Originally Posted by mikeahso

I'm in, if its X-Drive and not #stancenation ride height.

Sure, 6MT RWD low is cool, but it contradicts the practicality of having a wagon in the first place. Went to dealer last year to buy RS4 til I became aware of how low it is. Left dealer with an A4 allroad. Sure, it's gutless and sounds like a tractor. But it sails down unsealed roads.

Bahh rubbish

I could also share some very very dirty pictures of my C63 Estate if you want after going through Te Urewera after a storm, Forgotten Highway, East Cape light house etc. You don't need an allroud for a gravel road. To be fair though at about 130kmh on gravel it got very floaty.

[cbertels]

Need!!

[sq86]

Build it and they will come. They need to bring this to the US! There's such a small chance of this happening but maybe it will.

[Fugly M3]

Originally Posted by brad850csi

Bahh rubbish

I could also share some very very dirty pictures of my C63 Estate if you want after going through Te Urewera after a storm, Forgotten Highway, East Cape light house etc. You don't need an allroud for a gravel road. To be fair though at about 130kmh on gravel it got very floaty.

Except...the rock chips!!!

[M3GymNut]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

Hatches are more aero than trunks.

[M3GymNut]

Originally Posted by sturgeongeneral

The E91 was a great looking wagon (I've got one). Offerings from MB and Audi look pretty good too. Not sure if an M3 wagon really makes sense tho, but it'd be cool.

That said I don't understand the bewilderment expressed by some here about why people want wagons. People have already explained it, it's pretty obvious. It's just that most Americans generally have no taste and for some reason enjoy MONSTROUS SUVS. Granted I get the extra room and whatnot but it always seems like few actually utilize it, whereas a wagon is just the right blend of practicality and driving enjoyment (if done right, and we're talking sport-y wagons).

Trust me, I know you're not saying this to me directly, but I do not like SUV's at all. Thing I've noticed is that I don't haul or take practically anything in my car that would warrant a wagon. That's why I was honestly kind of flabbergasted and so many of you guys yearning for one. It's crazy.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

Trust me, I know you're not saying this to me directly, but I do not like SUV's at all. Thing I've noticed is that I don't haul or take practically anything in my car that would warrant a wagon. That's why I was honestly kind of flabbergasted and so many of you guys yearning for one. It's crazy.

So you genuinely don't understand why people like vehicles that have more cargo capacity than a sedan, be that a hatchback, wagon, or SUV?

[sahajesh]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

So you genuinely don't understand why people like vehicles that have more cargo capacity than a sedan, be that a hatchback, wagon, or SUV?

Personally I think there is too much choice in the BMW range and they should just stick to making saloons, after all, it's their heritage

/S

[sturgeongeneral]

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

Trust me, I know you're not saying this to me directly, but I do not like SUV's at all. Thing I've noticed is that I don't haul or take practically anything in my car that would warrant a wagon. That's why I was honestly kind of flabbergasted and so many of you guys yearning for one. It's crazy.

That's fair if you don't really haul stuff, but I don't see why it's hard to imagine that there exist people who do. It's also not entirely a question of how frequently you utilize the space. The beauty of the wagon is that it's basically a sedan, but has extra capacity when you do need it.

Many of us don't have the space or resources to have multiple cars, which means we want something that's practical but also enjoyable. I'm really not sure what's so hard to understand about all this. You initially pointed out that they're ugly, so if that's your real objection there's not much to discuss.