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      02-26-2019, 02:42 PM   #89
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You know what I mean, in recent history, you people in Europe are annoying, you just had to google some mofo 1979 POS no one remembers.
Is the M135i from 2012 also too long gone for you? I mean feel free to research and pick an interval to best suit what you want to say.
I'll pass your message on to my fellow Europeans, should I also let the facts know they should be ashamed for not supporting what you say?

I just honestly don't get all this drama of being taken aback like this is anything new and hasn't been around for years, or like it lessens what an M car is in any way.

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      02-26-2019, 02:50 PM   #91
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Portimao Blue G20 330i M Sport With M Performance Parts

Side stripe looks really like cut n paste from a totally different car.
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      02-26-2019, 02:54 PM   #92
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Is the M135i from 2012 also too long gone for you? I mean feel free to research and pick an interval to best suit what you want to say.
I'll pass your message on to my fellow Europeans, should I also let the facts know they should be ashamed for not supporting what you say?

I just honestly don't get all this drama of being taken aback like this is anything new and hasn't been around for years, or like it lessens what an M car is in any way.
You're funny I'm just messing with you.
But seriously 1 series and 2 series have been like that I guess from the beginning of those relatively new series.
But 3 and 5 , why go to these M- something something. Like they're trying to lure people in with a questionable association with real M cars.
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You're funny I'm just messing with you.
But seriously 1 series and 2 series have been like that I guess from the beginning of those relatively new series.
But 3 and 5 , why go to these M- something something. Like they're trying to lure people in with a questionable association with real M cars.
I am guessing because MB C class lineup is C300, AMG C43 and AMG C63
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I am guessing because MB C class lineup is C300, AMG C43 and AMG C63
Funny you should mention it, you think it's heated here. Visit MBworld forum and see the animosity between c63 and c43 crowd.
Apparently c43 is a fake AMG unlike a handbuilt c63 something like that.
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I am guessing because MB C class lineup is C300, AMG C43 and AMG C63
Funny you should mention it, you think it's heated here. Visit MBworld forum and see the animosity between c63 and c43 crowd.
Apparently c43 is a fake AMG unlike a handbuilt c63 something like that.
C43 is a fake AMG just like every M340 M550 is a fake ///M
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C43 is a fake AMG just little every M340 M550 is a fake ///M
Yeah basically that's the sentiment over there.
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You're funny I'm just messing with you.
But seriously 1 series and 2 series have been like that I guess from the beginning of those relatively new series.
But 3 and 5 , why go to these M- something something. Like they're trying to lure people in with a questionable association with real M cars.
What is real M to you and why do you care what anyone else does? If you are not aware, M performance vehicles are engineered by M, so while they may not have bespoke M engines, they are tuned and enhanced by M and that makes them real as far as I can tell, which is in contrast to M Sports which are primarily design enhanced and suspension upgrades. BMW is a business and they are very smart and follow the demands of their clients at large, not the minimal percentage that purchase full on proper M cars -and as we all know many perhaps most dare I say, only buy the M for the mythical prestige while never actually leveraging what the car performance is all about.

So they respond to the market demand for a more performance focused vehicle as compared to the standard vehicles which have skewed toward the luxury spectrum in terms of driving style and performance to compete with others in the marketplace. Hence M performance vehicles launched which provide exactly what most people who buy Ms historically really want anyway, and history shows that new lines in M peformance will have likely as much power as previous M cars, ala M550i and to come m340i. So theres a market and they fill the demand, smart business decision.

But it still doesnt matter to some, because this issue is not about the M performance cars, its about some M owners internal insecurities and posing, imho. What other reason could it be? I never understand why anyone else cares about what someone else has, and it reaks of petty insecurity and jealousy from my point of view. Ive owned many many bmws over the past 30 years, and have had the fortune to own an S85 M6 as well as an S55 M3 and guess what, I could care less who owned an M performance this or that or anything else because its not my business and not my life. If you want an M get and M, if you want M performance, go for it, it affects my life Zero. It affects my enjoyment Zero. Why it bothers so many is not only confusing and illogical, its silly. Enjoy what you have and dont worry about what I or anyone else has, it doesnt affect you or dilute your pleasure, it just makes a person look immature and insecure. Live and let live
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Such a nice car and I actually really like the grills! But theres still something about those audi/lexus style tail lights that will take some getting used to.
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Merc and BMW are doing badge engineering. Detroit did that and the result was aweful. They need to be careful with this. Don't give me that.special.tuned BS. It is simply capitalizing on the M badge while diluting the M badge.

C43 AMG is a rebadged C400 with AMG sport package.
M340i is a rebadged 340i with M Sport package.
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Merc and BMW are doing badge engineering. Detroit did that and the result was aweful. They need to be careful with this. Don't give me that.special.tuned BS. It is simply capitalizing on the M badge while diluting the M badge.

C43 AMG is a rebadged C400 with AMG sport package.
M340i is a rebadged 340i with M Sport package.
Exactly,as an example what upgraded suspension developed by M does an an X5 M50d,available over in Europe have over an X5 50i M Sport in North America.The answer is nothing.Its all about marketing.
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Merc and BMW are doing badge engineering. Detroit did that and the result was aweful. They need to be careful with this. Don't give me that.special.tuned BS. It is simply capitalizing on the M badge while diluting the M badge.

C43 AMG is a rebadged C400 with AMG sport package.
M340i is a rebadged 340i with M Sport package.
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Exactly,as an example what upgraded suspension developed by M does an an X5 M50d,available over in Europe have over an X5 50i M Sport in North America.The answer is nothing.Its all about marketing.
Of course.
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Exactly,as an example what upgraded suspension developed by M does an an X5 M50d,available over in Europe have over an X5 50i M Sport in North America.The answer is nothing.Its all about marketing.
seems like M performance = M sport + track handling package + MPPK

compared to the previous just buying the normal model and adding all that stuff to your car. Its basically just a bundling of a bunch of packages and badging. Its not really a rebadging if you can't get all that stuff any other way anymore.
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seems like M performance = M sport + track handling package + MPPK

compared to the previous just buying the normal model and adding all that stuff to your car. Its basically just a bundling of a bunch of packages and badging. Its not really a rebadging if you can't get all that stuff any other way anymore.
What M performance package?
Here's the order guide of this "M330i" it's the same thing as M sport. There's nothing justifiable to put an M in front of 330i. It's all marketing. Slap a few M badges on the fenders and in front of 330i badge and they'll think they're almost buying M car
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What M performance package?
Here's the order guide of this "M330i" it's the same thing as M sport. There's nothing justifiable to put an M in front of 330i. It's all marketing. Slap a few M badges on the fenders and in front of 330i badge and they'll think they're almost buying M car
I mean they don't make an m330i.

But the M340i in F30 terms is basically a 340i with m-sport, mppk flash, and track handling package (well and a LSD).

The g20 330i, has m-sport and a track handling package, but no MPPK. I wouldn't doubt BMW is well on its way to selling a M330i and in those terms it would probably just be track handling pack, m-sport and say a boosted version of the n46 say to 300hp (much like the x2 m235i, or the eventual 2 grancoupe m235i will have).

I mean, x2 xdrive28i vs m235i is literaly the same thing. an engine boost flash, m-sport body kit.

Every level is basically just varying degrees of that and always has been. Even a "real M".

One of my main complaints about the G generation M cars is they aren't different enough from the normal series. THe G80 is probably going to be what.... an extra turbo, a sportier / harsher wider suspension with wider track, and RWD mode on xDrive? At least with the F80 you got a DCT which you couldn't get otherwise so they even took that away.

All the cars are varying degrees of the same car. Its always been that way. Its not like an M3 is a bespoke totally different car.
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seems like M performance = M sport + track handling package + MPPK

compared to the previous just buying the normal model and adding all that stuff to your car. Its basically just a bundling of a bunch of packages and badging. Its not really a rebadging if you can't get all that stuff any other way anymore.
You have described the definition of badge engineering.

Just because you are more limited in your options, doesn't mean you are better off.
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seems like M performance = M sport + track handling package + MPPK

compared to the previous just buying the normal model and adding all that stuff to your car. Its basically just a bundling of a bunch of packages and badging. Its not really a rebadging if you can't get all that stuff any other way anymore.
You have described the definition of badge engineering.

Just because you are more limited in your options, doesn't mean you are better off.
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seems like M performance = M sport + track handling package + MPPK

compared to the previous just buying the normal model and adding all that stuff to your car. Its basically just a bundling of a bunch of packages and badging. Its not really a rebadging if you can't get all that stuff any other way anymore.
You have described the definition of badge engineering.

Just because you are more limited in your options, doesn't mean you are better off.
it's not badge engineering if there is no other way to get those things. badge engineering has always been a different badge on the same thing. in this case you can't buy it any other way. engineering still w went into that tune etc
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it's not badge engineering if there is no other way to get those things. badge engineering has always been a different badge on the same thing. in this case you can't buy it any other way. engineering still w went into that tune etc
LOL, slapping a M badge in front of 340i, is badge engineering. It doesn't matter they make it a combo meal, a Big Mac is a Big Mac. It doesn't matter if the only way to get a Big Mac is ordering a combo meal. Now go get a Double Double from In and Out instead.
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This is great to go back and read ....today.
LMAO how people are complaining that the grills on the car pictured are, wait for it....too big Then came the REALLY BIG GRILLS!

Also people complaining that the M340 isn't a real M car. Well, of course not, but now that I have one banging off of 400hp I am actually ok with whatever people call it. I call it amazing.

Also people wondered if the M3 would look aggressive enough...I guess that got answered in the affirmative.

Love to hear the original posters' thoughts now that we are down the road a year or two.
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Have a look at the G20 330i M Sport in Portimao Blue fitted with M Performance Parts by BMW dealership Autohaus Matthes in Germany.

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