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Actually, it is much better. The last real 911 was built in 1989. The 964 model started in 1989 too, and then they went on & on. As you may know, they are up to 992 now.
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12-22-2019, 11:03 PM | #69 |
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i test drove a giulia TI Q2 today. Theres a lot to like about that car, you can tell they spent their budget on the suspension and engine, and not well.. the buttons, switchgear, infotainment etc. Though the solid aluminum paddle shifters... BMW could learn a thing or two from them.
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Said it before, I'll say it again. The g20 330's power output is pathetic.
The fact that the G20 M340 got a huge jump in power from the F30, but the 330 was left to lag behind with not a single solitary additional digit of power or torque is frankly ridiculous. The disparity between the lines (Msport/ M340/ M3) is too large. It should have 300hp/300trq - then the BMW would have wiped the floor with the whole segment. Instead it's a bit weak sauce....stagnant...meh. Even a performance package add on option to give factory supported, warrantied tuning solution would have been welcomed. Instead we have to mess around with the aftermarket and the associated risks. I'm sure it's because it would potentially cannibalize the M340 sales as 300/300 is plenty for most people's needs, but it's anything but progress.
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BMW 330i - 255 hp/295 lb-ft Mercedes C300 - 255 hp/273 lb-ft Audi A4 - 248 hp/273 lb-ft Genesis G70 - 252 hp/260 lb-ft Alfa Romeo Giulia - 280 hp/306 lb-ft In terms of cannibalizing m340i sales, I'm not sure the m340i has significant enough sales figures that a 45 hp power bump in the 330i would make a meaningful impact, especially if BMW decides to raise the sale price of the 330. In that case you may even see a halo effect if the price differential is reduced between the two models.
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12-23-2019, 04:09 PM | #72 | |
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They are more than competitive and in their mainstream base car, i'd imagine squeaking out say 2mpg more in EPA rating appeals to the buyers in the 330i's class more than say 30hp using more boost etc. They probably could easily do whatever they did to make the x2 m35i have 302hp but it would lower fuel economy, and making like a special model number in between the 340i and 330i would seem like just another model to maybe keep in stock for a tiny group of people who'd go for it. |
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12-23-2019, 08:08 PM | #73 |
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Frankly, I'm fine with my 330i xDrive's power. It's definitely in line, if not better, than most of the class. And since when is 0-60 in 5.2 seconds considered "slow"? Yes, slower compared to some cars, but still more than enough for day-to-day driving.
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12-23-2019, 10:42 PM | #74 |
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I agree with you. I don't get how the 330i is "slow". I'm doing more than the legal posted speed limit in much less than a minute! Back in the day, supercars did a 0-60 in less than 5.5s. Even then, more power cannot hurt.
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I never lease... M5 compitition in januari 2020
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Mine was $80k MSRP, 1.5 years later and 14k miles later, it is at mid-upper 50s. Should not get any of these cars if the value is your concern |
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Guilia's except for the Quad leases super cheap. Based on data collected on leasehackr they were offering the cheapest leases this year along with the Infiniti. So if someone were on the hunt for a bargain entry level sports sedan, the Giulia would be a top consideration.
The few people you have first hand knowledge of switching and being happier means nada. That statement carry no tangible significance whatsoever from a statistical point of view. Also, the bit about exclusivity is quite comical when it's the byproduct of a car with low demand, at least when compared to its main rivals. That's not necessarily a good thing for Guilia fans.
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Exclusivity? Lol, that made me laugh. I should buy a Tata, just to have exclusivity. No Alfa will be more exclusive than an BMW Individual vehicle.
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I don't know, I mean, I would say there is definitely some exclusivity of the Giulia. Not like 911 GT3 (or some other variant) levels of exclusivity, but these are in a sense low volume cars that at least, in most areas you may never see a lot.
A 3-series? One everyday, but a Giulia, especially Quadrifoglio's, they always catch my attention. I had one pass me the other day with the window open, and the exhaust got me turning me head as it passed by.
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No, not a badge thing. I owned many cars, and still own different brand, I just want to see that level of quality I am thirsty for. Alfa really disappoints in every aspect when we are talking about materials and execution. BMW is the one that defined the sporty luxury vehicle. Alfa was the worse car I have ever owned. I realized why in Europe we call the Italian cars "Gigolo: they are cute but they always disappoint." BMW is not flawless, but Alfa can't hold a candle to BMW in terms of execution and reliability. |
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I'm confused... "exclusivity" is by definition something that is restricted or limited to a select group of individuals (i.e. many people are excluded from attaining that item whether it be due to it being a limited production run or that it's simply too high of a price etc).
Alfas aren't limited, they just simply don't sell well.
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