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      09-03-2020, 11:15 AM   #23
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Itís great to have choices, no?

Putting all the controls on the touch screen makes OTA updates/improvements much easier. My car has received lots of new features in the ~2 years Iíve owned it, including about 50 extra horsepower!

A friendís MB C300 4Matic doesnít have a power trunk lid either...

FWIW, the audio volume is controlled by the left steering wheel scroll wheel by default. Iíve never used the touch-screen volume control while driving, but did use it while a passenger - itís great to have such easy access from that side.

The infinitely configurable HVAC vent are genius, IMO. I can direct the air exactly where I want it and as a result, I spend far less time fiddling with those controls than in any other car Iíve owned in 40+ years of driving.

Enjoy the BMW - really nice car!
Exactly! Choices are good!

Tesla has become a remarkable line of vehicles in a short period of time. Some really cool features and wild performance. However, they need a refresh on the Model S.

Musk has yet to really be challenged, but the Germans appear to be coming after him. Porsche, Audi, and now BMW, are building some cool stuff. And next week the intro of the new U.S. built Lucid Air. Good competition will benefit the entire EV market and force Tesla to step up its game.
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I do also. ......

There are a couple of things regarding any of the Tesla competitors that are important to me. Range and battery life....


Time will tell...........................

The other aspect is the availability of service and parts....from what I read, Tesla is abysmal when it comes to parts...worked at an authorized Tesla collision center....longest wait for parts. I've also read that supposedly, Volvo dealers will be able to service Polestar vehicles...I live a LONG way from either LA or NYC..where Polestar 2 test drives are currently available....
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The other aspect is the availability of service and parts....from what I read, Tesla is abysmal when it comes to parts...worked at an authorized Tesla collision center....longest wait for parts. I've also read that supposedly, Volvo dealers will be able to service Polestar vehicles...I live a LONG way from either LA or NYC..where Polestar 2 test drives are currently available....
Agreed. While I don't normally base my buying decisions on collisions and repairs, not having a service center reasonably close is a consideration. Fortunately, EV's do not require the same level of maintenance as an ICE car, Getting initial flaws fixed (which Tesla has been known for) is a consideration.

Tesla's QC has been improving, and the OTA updates are a nice feature. Having a drive-in service center or a mobile option available locally is a desirable option.

We can only hope better service coverage is an ongoing priority.
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Tesla's QC has been improving, and the OTA updates are a nice feature. Having a drive-in service center or a mobile option available locally is a desirable option.
I don't think this is the case. QC if anything has been at a standstill. The new Y is facing similar issues that the 3 experience. In addition to manufacturing defects that are rampant. Also, one area of decline is service quality due to the volume of vehicles needing rework straight from the factory. The reason QC has improved on the S and Y is that they've been in production since 2012 & 16 and the last update to any tech was in mid-2015.

I do agree that the screens and lack of physical buttons does allow tesla to upgrade functionality and user experience. However, I really like simple button controls for things like HVAC and wipers. Pretty annoying when you have to navigate menus while your driving for hvac which is the case now. Sure you get used to it, but still, nothing more simple than a button with tactile feedback.
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I don't think this is the case. QC if anything has been at a standstill. The new Y is facing similar issues that the 3 experience. In addition to manufacturing defects that are rampant. Also, one area of decline is service quality due to the volume of vehicles needing rework straight from the factory. The reason QC has improved on the S and Y is that they've been in production since 2012 & 16 and the last update to any tech was in mid-2015.

I do agree that the screens and lack of physical buttons does allow tesla to upgrade functionality and user experience. However, I really like simple button controls for things like HVAC and wipers. Pretty annoying when you have to navigate menus while your driving for hvac which is the case now. Sure you get used to it, but still, nothing more simple than a button with tactile feedback.
I saw this and thought there was some notable improvement.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tesl...y-2019-10?op=1

I too like the addition of physical buttons for simple car functions. A big reason why the i4 appeals to me. I hope BMW integrates OTA updates with the i4 when it becomes available.

I tend to like smaller cars. Something in the 175 inch length or less. Seems like most of the EV's are larger. My main around town car is a 2019 Mini S. Does everything I need it to do. Mini offers a EV, but it has minimal range. I'm hoping to see a LR compact "something" become available in the near future. So far the only manufacturer that has hinted at a compact is Tesla.

As an aside, I find it very difficult to find any information that is completely truthful and unbiased. This seems to apply to all media sources IMO. Pundits and journalists bring whatever biases they have to their reports and stories and slant their articles to support their personal views (sadly, this isn't by accident). A shame since it makes a person wanting the real story on anything harder and harder to get.

We certainly live in interesting times (for better or worse).................
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I saw this and thought there was some notable improvement.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tesl...y-2019-10?op=1

I too like the addition of physical buttons for simple car functions. A big reason why the i4 appeals to me. I hope BMW integrates OTA updates with the i4 when it becomes available.

I tend to like smaller cars. Something in the 175 inch length or less. Seems like most of the EV's are larger. My main around town car is a 2019 Mini S. Does everything I need it to do. Mini offers a EV, but it has minimal range. I'm hoping to see a LR compact "something" become available in the near future. So far the only manufacturer that has hinted at a compact is Tesla.

As an aside, I find it very difficult to find any information that is completely truthful and unbiased. This seems to apply to all media sources IMO. Pundits and journalists bring whatever biases they have to their reports and stories and slant their articles to support their personal views (sadly, this isn't by accident). A shame since it makes a person wanting the real story on anything harder and harder to get.

We certainly live in interesting times (for better or worse).................
Don't get me wrong, the cars are awesome. They are just nowhere near the quality of anything half the price. People tend to tie the tech to quality, not sure why. Yes, the cars have quality tech, no they are not built well and shake themselves loose all the time.

Totally agree with you. It's hard to find honest and none biased reviews, especially with Tesla's. It's the mentality the company wanted from the start - your either with them or against them, theirs no in the middle.

The MINI is an awesome car, especially after BMW took over and started making engines for them in the most recent generations. The EV Mini is a disappointment as it's practically an i3. I wish BMW did a better job and knocked it out of the park with the EV MINI as I think it would have killed.

As for the OTA, I'm positive it will be standard. Even the current G series cars receive OTA updates. Physical buttons do limit what can be updated, but that's ok with me. I don't need my AC controls changed or back seat heaters unlocked(Not a deal-breaker for me). Food for thought, think about this. The hardware for feature updates is already physically in the car. Tesla just unlocks it. Most of the feature-packed OTA's are, IMO, a gimmick, unless they improve drivability due to an error made in the code. Thus I think, BMW will, without a doubt, will implement OTA's, especially for battery, drive units, and BMS functions.
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