[bumblebeemer]

https://www.autoguide.com/car-compar...vs-genesis-g70

I'm from south korea and huge fan of bmw, also own g20 330i
i have driven it for 3months and it feels great of course
but constant comparison against g70 saddens me
most car reviewer think g70 is better than g20 3series i guess

[Delija]

That was obviously written by BMW hater.

[Weiner0123]

I used to work at Hyundai... NEVER will I ever remotely own a Hyundai in my life... they are unreliable POS vehicles.. trust me... so many problems on them.. atleast with BMW you get quality and a company that stands behind its product ...

[geddylee]

They call out many of the new 3 series flaws that i see however. It's still lacks focus, and the new tech is a mish mash of mostly non useful additions. The cockpit is really poorly done, the piped in engine noise makes the car sound cheap and like it's trying too hard.

[Joro2819]

Have you actually set in a Hyundai? It's a good car but feel around, the material feels cheaper and looks cheaper to me. I am not a snob but I cant see myself getting in one everyday after work or taking my wife out on a date in one. Nice car but not for me.

[tgrundke]

Check out the G70 - it's a very solid car, and it's a good value play. No, not as refined as the BMW, but Genesis has been slowly and steadily improving the cars to the point where the $$ saved makes them a very credible option.

The engine is very anodyne and boring, especially the 6-cyl., but if there is one market entrant that BMW and Audi should be concerned about, it's Hyundai.

[stein_325i]

I'm actually a big fan of the G70, and they clearly went for BMW - especially when Genesis hired the ex-M division leader - I just wish they had their own dealership network rather than sharing with Hyundai. That is probably the biggest turn off I have for the G70, otherwise, it is an excellent value for a sports car that handles really well.

[Weiner0123]

Originally Posted by joshuastein55

I'm actually a big fan of the G70, and they clearly went for BMW - especially when Genesis hired the ex-M division leader - I just wish they had their own dealership network rather than sharing with Hyundai. That is probably the biggest turn off I have for the G70, otherwise, it is an excellent value for a sports car that handles really well.

Im pretty sure he's in the Hyundai N-Division.. I don't think he has anything to do with Genesis

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by Weiner0123

Im pretty sure he's in the Hyundai N-Division.. I don't think he has anything to do with Genesis

Not just the N-Division, but the head of R&D for the entire Hyundai/Kia/Genesis brand, he is one of the reasons for the G70's handling prowess.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/doronle...must-be-proud/

[Fuller]

Originally Posted by geddylee

They call out many of the new 3 series flaws that i see however. It's still lacks focus, and the new tech is a mish mash of mostly non useful additions. The cockpit is really poorly done, the piped in engine noise makes the car sound cheap and like it's trying too hard.

What do you think should be different about the 3 series in order to increase its focus?

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by Fuller

What do you think should be different about the 3 series in order to increase its focus?

I think BMW could put it on a diet to lose some weight, develop a new steering system to add some natural feel/weight when cornering, and reduce the number of gimmicks (piping of fake engine noise) to make it more "focused"

[Weiner0123]

I don't trust these big companies.... I feel like they get paid off, here's exactly why I wouldn't want to own the genesis.... BMW has experience and is more refined all around.. even at the end Jakub states he would take the M340i over the C43 and the G70 any day... even in there M340i review on the track they were literally screaming in joy and praising BMW for making a good sports sedan... I trust these guys, highly reputable reviewers .. not these big automotive companies that you can tell get paid to say good things about certain brands.. + My
Personal opinion the G70 does not look appealing at all, but personal opinions.

[upsidedownfunnel]

The fact that Genesis is eliciting these types of responses means they made a good car. I finally saw one today, and it looks far better than the M340i.

[tgrundke]

Originally Posted by upsidedownfunnel

The fact that Genesis is eliciting these types of responses means they made a good car. I finally saw one today, and it looks far better than the M340i.

Looks are subjective: I think that the G70 is a handsome car, but I also think the G20 is as well, in its own way.

G70 is a very good car. Might not be as refined, and the engines are a bit more coarse and generic in feel, but Genesis did an excellent job of getting 85% of the way there and making the car an excellent value.

[mcjohnsonsg]

Originally Posted by tgrundke

Looks are subjective: I think that the G70 is a handsome car, but I also think the G20 is as well, in its own way.

G70 is a very good car. Might not be as refined, and the engines are a bit more coarse and generic in feel, but Genesis did an excellent job of getting 85% of the way there and making the car an excellent value.

I agree. Some will prefer the look of the Genesis; others will prefer the G20 (I'm in the G20 camp).

My biggest problem with the G70 though is that I can't stop seeing a Hyundai when I look at it. It's a good value luxury car, but a really expensive Hyundai. I know that's probably a stigma it has now that will fade with time as the Genesis brand becomes more established (like Lexus in the early days...although I still don't like Lexus!). But for now, I just can't get past that. Perhaps that's my loss, as by all accounts I'm missing out on a good car.

[Weiner0123]

Originally Posted by upsidedownfunnel

The fact that Genesis is eliciting these types of responses means they made a good car. I finally saw one today, and it looks far better than the M340i.

Again, Personal opinions,

[geddylee]

Originally Posted by Fuller

What do you think should be different about the 3 series in order to increase its focus?

To me, it needs to get rid of gimmicky tech that doesn't add to the driver experience. The live cockpit for example, whatever R&D was used on that should be scrapped in favor of improving the steering feel and chassis dynamics. It should be the benchmark and it just isn't.

Also, get rid of the awful piped in engine noise, or at least give us the option to turn it off. It sounds terrible in the 4 cylinder models in my opinion.

The idrive was already the benchmark, they didn't need to redo it, and I'd argue idrive 6 is the superior system.

I'd also stop obsessing with making the car bigger. There is just no need for it, it's big enough!

[Weiner0123]

Originally Posted by geddylee

To me, it needs to get rid of gimmicky tech that doesn't add to the driver experience. The live cockpit for example, whatever R&D was used on that should be scrapped in favor of improving the steering feel and chassis dynamics. It should be the benchmark and it just isn't.

Also, get rid of the awful piped in engine noise, or at least give us the option to turn it off. It sounds terrible in the 4 cylinder models in my opinion.

The idrive was already the benchmark, they didn't need to redo it, and I'd argue idrive 6 is the superior system.

I'd also stop obsessing with making the car bigger. There is just no need for it, it's big enough!

You have to remember that the year is 2019, Every other competitor is making gimmicky tech options available in there cars... and BMW is no exception especially being a luxury/premium brand, do you expect them to just make a barebones car with no tech options in this competitive automotive market, you got to remember to a majority of customers that shop now look for these tech features, not everyone who shops for a 3 series is a die hard enthusiast, and obviously it works considering there sales figures always seem to be going up.. I own the M340i, and for a daily driver I find the chassis incredibly stable (especially at high speeds), I find the performance level is amazing, and the interior feels and looks very good and not cluttered, and the car handles amazing.

[geddylee]

Originally Posted by Weiner0123

You have to remember that the year is 2019, Every other competitor is making gimmicky tech options available in there cars... and BMW is no exception especially being a luxury/premium brand, do you expect them to just make a barebones car with no tech options in this competitive automotive market, you got to remember to a majority of customers that shop now look for these tech features, not everyone who shops for a 3 series is a die hard enthusiast, and obviously it works considering there sales figures always seem to be going up.. I own the M340i, and for a daily driver I find the chassis incredibly stable (especially at high speeds), I find the performance level is amazing, and the interior feels and looks very good and not cluttered, and the car handles amazing.

Porsche seems to do just fine without the gimmicks. Great company's lead not follow. If the tech doesn't work well or have a real use case then scrap it.

I agree the M340i is a good car by the way. I hate the live cockpit, but it's a nice improvement over the F30.

[Fuller]

Originally Posted by geddylee

Porsche seems to do just fine without the gimmicks. Great company's lead not follow. If the tech doesn't work well or have a real use case then scrap it.

I agree the M340i is a good car by the way. I hate the live cockpit, but it's a nice improvement over the F30.

Bmw vs Porsche is apples and oranges though. The only thing they really have in common is their nation of origin. Bmw primarily builds luxury cars with a sporty edge, to varying degrees across models. Porsche is known primarily for manufacturing focused sports cars with varying degrees of luxury. There are exceptions and some overlap within their product lines, but generally speaking, they build different cars, and their customer bases have different expectations.

[Fuller]

Originally Posted by Weiner0123

You have to remember that the year is 2019, Every other competitor is making gimmicky tech options available in there cars... and BMW is no exception especially being a luxury/premium brand, do you expect them to just make a barebones car with no tech options in this competitive automotive market, you got to remember to a majority of customers that shop now look for these tech features, not everyone who shops for a 3 series is a die hard enthusiast, and obviously it works considering there sales figures always seem to be going up.. I own the M340i, and for a daily driver I find the chassis incredibly stable (especially at high speeds), I find the performance level is amazing, and the interior feels and looks very good and not cluttered, and the car handles amazing.

Exactly. If bmw builds a sporty 3er, people will whine about the stiff suspension and heavy steering. If they build a comfortable cruiser, those looking for a sports sedan will whine that it's too big, soft and numb. I think their problem is that they actually listen all of the feedback and try to accommodate everyone - an impossible task. The result is a vehicle that's nice and well rounded, but maybe not quite exciting enough for some, and not comfortable or technological enough for others.

Maybe they should follow ford, and stop selling their sedans in the US. Then they can just focus on the suv market, and anyone who wants a "real sports sedan" can buy a g70, Audi, Alfa, or whoever the automotive journalists have currently sold out to. The suv market is easier to please because they know what they want, and expectations are clearer.

[Jmatt07]

BMW all the way