[AudiConvert]

My G82 6MT overall has been great so far. Great cornering, AEWSOME top end, the engine just keeps on pulling even at well above highway speed. There is, however, a problem. At say 35mph, if I floor the car in second gear, the rev just shoots up way too fast and I don't really get the sensation of a 470hp car. To me honestly it doesn't really FEEL that much quicker than the Golf R I had a few years ago although it is in fact a lot quicker.
Looking for advices on how to best feel the car's acceleration at semi-legal speeds. Thanks.

[Forzanerazzurri]

Buy a comp

[flsupraguy]

Just do a fetmo unlock with bootmod3 ots tune. Completely transforms the car. Auto is for girls.

[AudiConvert]

Manual is what makes this car special in my opinion.

I'm talking about how to drive the car (what's the ideal rev range, etc.) to make it feel quicker rather than doing modifications. Sorry if my question wasn't clear.

[Forzanerazzurri]

It was a joke

[AudiConvert]

Originally Posted by Forzanerazzurri

It was a joke

I know, just trying to be polite. People on internet are easily agitated so I just wanna be as nice as I can.

[TrentMeister]

Originally Posted by AudiConvert

I know, just trying to be polite. People on internet are easily agitated so I just wanna be as nice as I can.

You have to keep this engine over 4k to feel what it’s all about.

[MichaelB1969]

Only options are:

1. Not sure what the top speed is in first, but maybe try taking off in 1st gear around 4K - 4.5K rpms?
2. Get a tune

Generally speaking, I'm excited about having to work for the speed a bit. Revving out a car to redline and feeling the power and speed build is what makes for a great driving experience in my opinion, especially in a manual. I'd much prefer that than flat power delivery such that there is no visceral reward from revving it all the way out to redline.

[moonluv810]

I’m confused. You mentioned that RPM shoots up way too fast when you floor it. Doesn’t this mean you’re accelerating hard? Or are you saying you’re just spinning?

I have a 6MT as well and I never had the feeling that this thing needs more power. Maybe I’m getting old 😂😂😂

As long as you don’t lug your engine, this thing is a rocket ship, relatively speaking especially if you want to keep your license.
If you want to feel the power, set it with Sport+ and keep the RPM above 3K.

[wtwo3]

Not sure there's much you can do outside of tuning. 2nd gear is the sweetspot to maximize acceleration while still being at stay out of jail speeds. The s58 generally lives in the higher revs and higher speeds as torque builds more progressively. In fact you'll get much more of a torquey sensation from the b58 in the m340i in the lower speeds. But... no manual option there...

[AudiConvert]

Originally Posted by moonluv810

I’m confused. You mentioned that RPM shoots up way too fast when you floor it. Doesn’t this mean you’re accelerating hard? Or are you saying you’re just spinning?

I have a 6MT as well and I never had the feeling that this thing needs more power. Maybe I’m getting old 😂😂😂

As long as you don’t lug your engine, this thing is a rocket ship, relatively speaking especially if you want to keep your license.
If you want to feel the power, set it with Sport+ and keep the RPM above 3K.

Like others have said, the car comes alive after ~4k rpm, but since it revs so quickly, you have to upshift in a blink of second, imo too little time to feel the push. Third gear is a little better but as you pointed out, it’s already jail bound speed at higher rpm.

[AudiConvert]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

Not sure there's much you can do outside of tuning. 2nd gear is the sweetspot to maximize acceleration while still being at stay out of jail speeds. The s58 generally lives in the higher revs and higher speeds as torque builds more progressively. In fact you'll get much more of a torquey sensation from the b58 in the m340i in the lower speeds. But... no manual option there...

Thank you! I think you described what I was trying to say a lot better. It’s the low end torquiness that I’m missing. Sometimes you just want to have that feeling of being pinned to your seat. I guess it’s 70ish pound ft difference between base vs. comp showing its presence here because everyone says the comp and especially xdrive versions go like a rocket.

[androidtopp]

Very much willing to say this is because I'm used to driving faaaaaaaaaaaaar lesser cars...but when I pin mine in 1st or 2nd (which is an xDrive, to be fair) it's borderline dizzying. To my perspective, at least, it just...becomes fast. It's bonkers.

Very much agree with the "jailbound" comments. I want to drive it for an extended period in something more than a straight line and in the top half of 3rd gear but that's...not wise. Need to find a track, but I'm too skrrrd.

[MIM5]

Easiest way to make the car feel faster is to drive something slow for a few weeks. Every spring when my fun car comes out of hibernation it always feels real quick, but that only last for like a week until I get used to the speed again. You could also just tune it and it will feel fast, but as well you will get used to the speed real quick.

[Indo Rider]

If you are not talking about losing traction, and sounds like you're not, then yeah you need some sort of tune to be able to just punch it from lower rpms in 2nd and feel the acceleration you're looking for. Alternatively, if you take first to redline and keep boost up by shifting quickly (but still smoothly, and CDV delete really helps here) it will really pull hard in 2nd. Can also try brake boosting in 2nd at slightly lower rpms, but I've found that not to work quite as well as I had hoped.

I had similar thoughts when car was stock. Now with JB4 traction in 2nd is the problem, so trying to burn up the stock pirellis ASAP and get stickier tires for this summer.

[Allerum]

Originally Posted by AudiConvert

My G82 6MT overall has been great so far. Great cornering, AEWSOME top end, the engine just keeps on pulling even at well above highway speed. There is, however, a problem. At say 35mph, if I floor the car in second gear, the rev just shoots up way too fast and I don't really get the sensation of a 470hp car. To me honestly it doesn't really FEEL that much quicker than the Golf R I had a few years ago although it is in fact a lot quicker.
Looking for advices on how to best feel the car's acceleration at semi-legal speeds. Thanks.

The issue you are experiencing is what throttle house was drug in the mud for on the g87. The solution is gear ratios. A higher final drive would give you that feeling or more power but as you stated top of 3rd is jail so you get two shifts. It is why people are impressed by the comp as it "feels" faster as much as it is faster due do it shifting more for the same speeds.

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by Allerum

The issue you are experiencing is what throttle house was drug in the mud for on the g87. The solution is gear ratios. A higher final drive would give you that feeling or more power but as you stated top of 3rd is jail so you get two shifts. It is why people are impressed by the comp as it "feels" faster as much as it is faster due do it shifting more for the same speeds.

The gear ratios are relatively short on the G8X 6MT, which is why their review was puzzling. The other issue with their review was "demonstrating" turbo lag when pulling from 4th gear at a low speed. No shit.... that's true of ANY car, automatic or manual if it's not allowed to downshift. The car needs to downshift for optimal power. When you mash the throttle in an automatic.... it downshifts for you... that's why it's an automatic.

If anything turbo lag is better mitigated with the manual because you have more control over the gears... which is why Randy Pobst posted a better lap time at VIR with the 6MT vs. the 8AT. The 8AT was refusing to downshift at a critical corner, costing it time on exit.

What OP is talking about is the availability of low-down torque - and that's an inherent "issue" in the S58 regardless of 6MT or comp trim. Torque with this motor is naturally more progressive, so you don't feel the traditional down-low pin to your seat sensation that turbo-charged cars are typically known for. Yes, there's an obvious difference in torque between the 6MT and the comp model (no denying the extra 70 lb-ft), but if you're expecting that push you back into your seat at low speeds feeling similar to what you might get from the b58 in the m340i.... neither the 6MT nor the comp model will give you that. These cars live in the top end, because on a track, that's what makes power delivery more predictable and manageable.

[AudiConvert]

Originally Posted by Allerum

The issue you are experiencing is what throttle house was drug in the mud for on the g87. The solution is gear ratios. A higher final drive would give you that feeling or more power but as you stated top of 3rd is jail so you get two shifts. It is why people are impressed by the comp as it "feels" faster as much as it is faster due do it shifting more for the same speeds.

At the same time TH says GT4's gears are too long so you only get to shift once on public roads, so I guess it goes both ways...

[AudiConvert]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

The gear ratios are relatively short on the G8X 6MT, which is why their review was puzzling. The other issue with their review was "demonstrating" turbo lag when pulling from 4th gear at a low speed. No shit.... that's true of ANY car, automatic or manual if it's not allowed to downshift. The car needs to downshift for optimal power. When you mash the throttle in an automatic.... it downshifts for you... that's why it's an automatic.

If anything turbo lag is better mitigated with the manual because you have more control over the gears... which is why Randy Pobst posted a better lap time at VIR with the 6MT vs. the 8AT. The 8AT was refusing to downshift at a critical corner, costing it time on exit.

What OP is talking about is the availability of low-down torque - and that's an inherent "issue" in the S58 regardless of 6MT or comp trim. Torque with this motor is naturally more progressive, so you don't feel the traditional down-low pin to your seat sensation that turbo-charged cars are typically known for. Yes, there's an obvious difference in torque between the 6MT and the comp model (no denying the extra 70 lb-ft), but if you're expecting that push you back into your seat at low speeds feeling similar to what you might get from the b58 in the m340i.... neither the 6MT nor the comp model will give you that. These cars live in the top end, because on a track, that's what makes power delivery more predictable and manageable.

Again thanks for the detailed response, I find this answers a lot of my questions so far, even though it looks like there's not much I can do on stock spec?

I guess what I'm trying to convey is that I kinda wish the car doesn't rev so quickly. I drove my friend's gt350 one time and that car also only wakes up at high rpm but (I don't remember if it revved slower or it was because of the extra 2000 rpm vs. our cars or both ) that car gave me time to feel the power before I had to shift.

[chris3g]

the rotation of the engine is physically connected through the transmission to the wheels of car, if the car revved slower it would BE slower, it's not like the speed at which the engine RPM increases is some separate thing that can be altered.

i will say though that having both a 6MT and a comp xdrive G80, the comp does feel quite a bit faster even though my 6MT measures faster (stock vs modded at the moment). I'm not exactly sure what creates that sensation, probably a combination of things which have mostly been mentioned already.

[svgM3]

What you seem to be looking for is taller gearing to have it rev slower. That would mean less low end torque though and an even more gradual build of power. I used to have a golf r as well and it was a little punchier in the mid range (not as much as a gti with its baby turbo) but definitely doesn’t have the high end power of s58. I think maybe you need to shift your mindset of what you are looking for in power delivery. Basically coming to appreciate power building. It’s different and I like it more. Way more satisfying than a hit of power that dies off a the top

[AudiConvert]

Originally Posted by svgM3

What you seem to be looking for is taller gearing to have it rev slower. That would mean less low end torque though and an even more gradual build of power. I used to have a golf r as well and it was a little punchier in the mid range (not as much as a gti with its baby turbo) but definitely doesn’t have the high end power of s58. I think maybe you need to shift your mindset of what you are looking for in power delivery. Basically coming to appreciate power building. It’s different and I like it more. Way more satisfying than a hit of power that dies off a the top

I agree, it's definitely a shift in mindset coming from Audi/VW hot hatches and compacts.