[Chrisss_GER]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

Hopefully options won't price this thing to far above the competition. As it is, with $5499 due at signing, lease payments with tax will be about $900/month BEFORE options. Also I hope the rumors aren't true that the M50 weighs over 5000lbs. How can an i4 weigh more than a 7 series or a Tesla Plaid! Either way, with the BMW loyalists, and people not interested in having a Camry common Model 3, the i4 should sell well. Part of the weight difference is from the interior appointments and luxury that are on a whole level higher than the Tesla.

edrive40: DIN 2050kg (4519lbs) / EU 2125kg (4684lbs)
M50: DIN 2215kg (4883lbs) / EU 2290kg (5048lbs)

Source: Official BMW spec sheet

The EU weight is the DIN weight (german institute for standardization) + 68kg for the driver + 7kg luggage

[M3ditate]

Originally Posted by Saphirschwarz

1-speed manual. Row your own gear.

Side note: Spoke with an engineer at ZF last year at CES, and he mentioned their new 2 speed trans only sees an improvement of 8-12%, which I found surprising. (Figured it would in theory close to double efficiency).

[phantom701]

I have a feeling that BMW will price itself out with its infamous nickel and dime strategy.

Based on purely technical features, Tesla is winning out in:
- Sound quality. HK looks like is an extra option
- Tesla's standard autopilot will already be better than what BMW might be charging extra for
- No autonomous driving from BMW
- No Frunk. This is a safety feature in addition to extra storage. Because there's no traditional engine at the front, Tesla has built in more room for front crumble zone. BMW inexplicably put in a 'traditional'-sized electric engine?? What gives?

BMW had years to figure out how to leap frog Tesla. Instead, the i4 seems disappointing now.

Even with the $7,500 federal tax credit that BMW gets, I have a strong feeling that it will be priced much higher than Tesla.

I have waited for the i4 and I'm not sure if it's worth it anymore. Might just go with Tesla if BMW indeed is too tone deaf.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by phantom701

I have a feeling that BMW will price itself out with its infamous nickel and dime strategy.

Based on purely technical features, Tesla is winning out in:
- Sound quality. HK looks like is an extra option
- Tesla's standard autopilot will already be better than what BMW might be charging extra for
- No autonomous driving from BMW
- No Frunk. This is a safety feature in addition to extra storage. Because there's no traditional engine at the front, Tesla has built in more room for front crumble zone. BMW inexplicably put in a 'traditional'-sized electric engine?? What gives?

BMW had years to figure out how to leap frog Tesla. Instead, the i4 seems disappointing now.

Even with the $7,500 federal tax credit that BMW gets, I have a strong feeling that it will be priced much higher than Tesla.

I have waited for the i4 and I'm not sure if it's worth it anymore. Might just go with Tesla if BMW indeed is too tone deaf.

Even if the BMW turns out to be a disappointment, there are a variety of EVs coming from much higher quality automakers that deserve consideration before settling for the worst quality in the industry.

[lnaukkar]

Originally Posted by phantom701

Even with the $7,500 federal tax credit that BMW gets, I have a strong feeling that it will be priced much higher than Tesla.

Dunno about US price, but here in Finland Tesla Model 3 Performance costs ~66 000 eur (starting from: add color 1k, white seats 1k, enhanced autpilot 4k, FSD 9k) and i4 M50 i got ordered is specced to ~85 000 eur .

So it just might be higher there for you guys as well

[phantom701]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

Even if the BMW turns out to be a disappointment, there are a variety of EVs coming from much higher quality automakers that deserve consideration before settling for the worst quality in the industry.

True.

I know I'm harping on the frunk. But it is still bothering me on why Volvo, Audi, and others are able to come up with a new drivetrain that allowed for a frunk while BMW went backwards. This just signals to me that BMW's engineers wasn't that forward thinking.

In any case, I'll wait and see how BMW will price out their options.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by phantom701

True.

I know I'm harping on the frunk. But it is still bothering me on why Volvo, Audi, and others are able to come up with a new drivetrain that allowed for a frunk while BMW went backwards. This just signals to me that BMW's engineers wasn't that forward thinking.

In any case, I'll wait and see how BMW will price out their options.

I agree fully about the loss of the frunk. Are we certain about this? I have not seen any photography of what is under the i4 hood. Even Ford designed a frunk into the Mustang Mach E, turning out to be a very well-received EV, although I'd still wait to see the Genesis entries.

[phantom701]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

I agree fully about the loss of the frunk. Are we certain about this? I have not seen any photography of what is under the i4 hood. Even Ford designed a frunk into the Mustang Mach E, turning out to be a very well-received EV, although I'd still wait to see the Genesis entries.

Confirmed no frunk. A massive FAIL by BMW.

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[Encanto]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

I agree fully about the loss of the frunk. Are we certain about this? I have not seen any photography of what is under the i4 hood. Even Ford designed a frunk into the Mustang Mach E, turning out to be a very well-received EV, although I'd still wait to see the Genesis entries.

This.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by Encanto

This.

[mbanck]

Originally Posted by phantom701

True.

I know I'm harping on the frunk. But it is still bothering me on why Volvo, Audi, and others are able to come up with a new drivetrain that allowed for a frunk while BMW went backwards. This just signals to me that BMW's engineers wasn't that forward thinking.

The Audi Q4 etron is on a dedicated EV platform (MEB) and does not have a frunk either.

Sure, it's a bit of a disappointment, but I don't see it as a deal-breaker, really. And seeing how it's a shared platform, it's really not that surprising they did not manage to put a frunk there.

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by phantom701

I have a feeling that BMW will price itself out with its infamous nickel and dime strategy.

Based on purely technical features, Tesla is winning out in:
- Sound quality. HK looks like is an extra option
- Tesla's standard autopilot will already be better than what BMW might be charging extra for
- No autonomous driving from BMW
- No Frunk. This is a safety feature in addition to extra storage. Because there's no traditional engine at the front, Tesla has built in more room for front crumble zone. BMW inexplicably put in a 'traditional'-sized electric engine?? What gives?

BMW had years to figure out how to leap frog Tesla. Instead, the i4 seems disappointing now.

Even with the $7,500 federal tax credit that BMW gets, I have a strong feeling that it will be priced much higher than Tesla.

I have waited for the i4 and I'm not sure if it's worth it anymore. Might just go with Tesla if BMW indeed is too tone deaf.

If that's what you're looking for in a car/EV, no one is going to criticize you for it but clearly you thought the i4 was going to be something that it never intended nor was it going to be. The i4 was never going to be a Tesla beater in things like range or autonomous driving, the i4 was BMW's temporary EV solution before they introduce a dedicated EV platform that had all the features you would typically find in a BMW and hopefully drive like one, possibly at a price point far below $100,000.

If you're looking for the Tesla's EV experience where it's range and autonomous driving, there is no EV that is going to top it. But if you're looking for a more traditional BMW experience but in an EV, the i4 is that vehicle.

[DES_MX]

Originally Posted by lnaukkar

Dunno about US price, but here in Finland Tesla Model 3 Performance costs ~66 000 eur (starting from: add color 1k, white seats 1k, enhanced autpilot 4k, FSD 9k) and i4 M50 i got ordered is specced to ~85 000 eur .

So it just might be higher there for you guys as well

Let's not forget, on top of that BMW gives plenty of discounts on new orders, Tesla doesn't (unless you're super lucky due to some demo car or similar issue).

[phantom701]

Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

If that's what you're looking for in a car/EV, no one is going to criticize you for it but clearly you thought the i4 was going to be something that it never intended nor was it going to be. The i4 was never going to be a Tesla beater in things like range or autonomous driving, the i4 was BMW's temporary EV solution before they introduce a dedicated EV platform that had all the features you would typically find in a BMW and hopefully drive like one, possibly at a price point far below $100,000.

If you're looking for the Tesla's EV experience where it's range and autonomous driving, there is no EV that is going to top it. But if you're looking for a more traditional BMW experience but in an EV, the i4 is that vehicle.

You are missing the point here. I'm merely saying if BMW were to nickel and dime us $20k - $30k on standard features that are way behind the competition, they will be finished.

You can be an apologizer for BMW all you want. But at the end of the day, the market decides. An overpriced uncompetitive car will not be well received.

I'm curious just how many placed a pre-order.

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by phantom701

You are missing the point here. I'm merely saying if BMW were to nickel and dime us $20k - $30k on standard features that are way behind the competition, they will be finished.

You can be an apologizer for BMW all you want. But at the end of the day, the market decides. An overpriced uncompetitive car will not be well received.

I'm curious just how many placed a pre-order.

I understood your point and my response was strictly regarding to your comment about leap frogging Tesla which BMW never intended the i4 to do.

It's difficult to see what is competitive and what's not. To people who look at an EV as just range and Autonomous tech (Tesla experience) yes, the i4 and every other EV is non-competitive. For everyone else, we finally get an EV that also delivers on all the other traditional car things that isn't priced at $100,000 like the eTron GT and Taycan - that alone is worth the premium over a Tesla. Everything else is what BMW has been doing with their ICE vehicles so why would it be different with their EV offerings?

This isn't about being a fanboy or apologist, it's about putting things in proper context.

[BMW_Forge]

Originally Posted by lnaukkar

Dunno about US price, but here in Finland Tesla Model 3 Performance costs ~66 000 eur (starting from: add color 1k, white seats 1k, enhanced autpilot 4k, FSD 9k) and i4 M50 i got ordered is specced to ~85 000 eur .

So it just might be higher there for you guys as well

Which options did you choose? What were the prices? Been at the dealer last week, were told that pricing for Estonia will be available in september

[lnaukkar]

Originally Posted by BMW_Forge

Which options did you choose? What were the prices? Been at the dealer last week, were told that pricing for Estonia will be available in september

Options are pretty much covered in the opening post here. And 4-series gran coupe configurator gets you most of the way for the rest. Options and prices seem to be a 90% match between the 4-series and i4. Its just the infotainment that's all-new.

[USA-RET]

FWIW, if interested in EV's and their tech, build, and features, I recommend spending some time watching videos by Sandy Munro. The guy pulls no punches when they tear apart cars and his expertise is (IMO) without question.

He hasn't torn into an i4 yet, but I guess he will in the future and will likely talk about the "good" and "bad" in that car. He's been into an ID4 and the Polestar. Interesting info on both. FWIW, he did think the Polestar is a worthy competitor to the Tesla Model 3.

Personally, I've written off getting an i4 for a variety of reasons.