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      06-25-2020, 09:18 PM   #45
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I'd still take one over a G20, I rarely carry people in the backseat and have a GLC for that, and I'm in the front seat anyways so I don't care about how tight it is. I had an E36 and E46 sedan, tight backseats aren't a big deal for me.
Seen and driven the G70 3.3T. Not as impressed as you were. Found the interior to be a bit ran of the mill and the dashboard reeks Hyundai Sonata right down to the infotainment system. Decent car but probably a far better buy used after the first year depreciation (35-40%) has hit the first owner.

Good effort. I am sure the next gen will be far better. The G70 still six years behind the G20.

And for me a sedan has to offer decent back seat accommodations. With 2 very tall kids is a must.

Close but no cigar. I would take a G20 M340i over the G70 3.3T twice daily and four times on Sunday
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And Audi is in 15th place behind a KIA.
Where they should be

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Chevy and Ford should be much lower IMO

Ford is just bad, making parts for a model that should be revealed soon and they are still changing the part.

Not talking about testing it at all. Lol
Chevy & Ford both stopped making cars, so that's mostly based on trucks and crossovers
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Seen and driven the G70 3.3T. Not as impressed as you were. Found the interior to be a bit ran of the mill and the dashboard reeks Hyundai Sonata right down to the infotainment system. Decent car but probably a far better buy used after the first year depreciation (35-40%) has hit the first owner.

Close but no cigar. I would take a G20 M340i over the G70 3.3T twice daily and four times on Sunday
I thought you hate the G20 seats?

Just kidding, M340i is an improvement over F30 no doubt, but no longer stands out in the class, and no manual. I'd probably still go Model 3 or C43 or even Giulia (lease) over G70 and M340i but you have to admit that Genesis is putting out compelling products, no matter how much Hyundai hate people have, they are no longer s***boxes of the 90's and are finally cars one would actually consider or want, Albert Biernmann is transforming the brand for the better.
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I thought you hate the G20 seats?

Just kidding, M340i is an improvement over F30 no doubt, but no longer stands out in the class, and materials are very disappointing, and no manual. I'd probably still go Model 3 or C43 or even Giulia (lease) over G70 and M340i but you have to admit that Genesis is putting out compelling products, no matter how much Hyundai hate people have, they are no longer s***boxes of the 90's and are finally cars one would actually consider or want, Albert Biernmann is transforming the brand for the better.
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I thought you hate the G20 seats?

Just kidding, M340i is an improvement over F30 no doubt, but no longer stands out in the class, and materials are very disappointing, and no manual. I'd probably still go Model 3 or C43 or even Giulia (lease) over G70 and M340i but you have to admit that Genesis is putting out compelling products, no matter how much Hyundai hate people have, they are no longer s***boxes of the 90's and are finally cars one would actually consider or want, Albert Biernmann is transforming the brand for the better.
I believe people are given herr Biermann way too much credit. With that said, hadn't been for the South Koreans poaching ze evil German auto executives, they would still be making shit boxes such as the KIA Rondo pictured below. You could still walk into a KIA dealer and drive away in one 10 years ago.

People now days like to shit on German cars but they fawn all over the "Germanic" look and feel of their fire sale Korean facsimiles...
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I'm honestly shocked Subaru and Honda are that far down.. These are the best in reliability IMO and VW is that high up? Lol something's up
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I'm honestly shocked Subaru and Honda are that far down.. These are the best in reliability IMO and VW is that high up? Lol something's up
Good point lol
Both Honda and Subaru have suffered quality declines in the last few years.

And before anyone says is because the Accord is made in Marysville, OH truth is Honda has been making Accords on that location since 1988.

But as a former Honda owner, the general look/feel, fit/finish and materials on current day Civics and Accords is appalling. They remind me of Nissan Sentra and Altimas from a decade ago.

Never owned or driven a Subaru so can't comment there.
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Both Honda and Subaru have suffered quality declines in the last few years.

And before anyone says is because the Accord is made in Marysville, OH truth is Honda has been making Accords on that location since 1988.

But as a former Honda owner, the general look/feel, fit/finish and materials on current day Civics and Accords is appalling. They remind me of Nissan Sentra and Altimas from a decade ago.

Never owned or driven a Subaru so can't comment there.
Subarus are crap as well

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Subarus are crap as well

Consider yourself blessed
The only time Subaru sort of grabbed my attention was back in the 1990s when they still took risks and made this:
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Lol
Tesla was at the bottom from the 2020 JD Power initial ownership pp/100 survey I read today. BMW was better than Porsche, Audi, Mercedes-Benz, Jaguar and even Toyota, Honda or Mazda.
https://www.autoblog.com/2020/06/24/...dge-kia-tesla/

Here's the full numbered list from J.D. Power and their scores:
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Tesla was at the bottom from the 2020 JD Power initial ownership pp/100 survey I read today. BMW was better than Porsche, Audi, Mercedes-Benz, Jaguar and even Toyota, Honda or Mazda.
https://www.autoblog.com/2020/06/24/...dge-kia-tesla/

Here's the full numbered list from J.D. Power and their scores:
Land Rover and Tesla
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I'm shocked that BMW is that high. Genesis? Really?
Typical example of stereo typing
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The only time Subaru sort of grabbed my attention was back in the 1990s when they still took risks and made this:
I drove one

It had their H6 Engine

It actually was a very nice car
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Isn't JD Power a market-research firm that companies pay into, in order to get said research? And only if you pay into the company are you then eligible to receive these awards?

https://jalopnik.com/everything-you-...r-a-1818818969

I've seen mention of this before and have since not given any f***s about them. Have you all seen those God-awful Chevy ads? Lol
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Subarus are crap as well

Consider yourself blessed
But Subarus keep their value. We sold our 8 year old Outback for more than an E350 of the same age and miles was worth.
I don't miss it though.
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Not shown is Tesla, which came in with a whopping 250 defects per 100. They aren't shown because they declined to participate in the 15 states where they can legally do so, so their data only reflects 35 particular states. This Forbes articles goes into more details on the how/why...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton/2020/06/25/jd-power-report-scores-tesla-a-dismal-last-yet-tesla-owners-love-their-cars/#768668a6a67b
It says Tesla is a brand new car company. They keep saying that every year even though they've been around for over a decade.
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Chevy and Ford should be much lower IMO

Ford is just bad, making parts for a model that should be revealed soon and they are still changing the part.

Not talking about testing it at all. Lol
I have a different take on Ford. Considering how we beat our Ford's to death and they more or less run all day between 3 shifts without much rest, the cars/SUV's hold up well. The same applies to the Chevy's in our fleet.

I wonder how our BMW's would hold up being run/operated 20-21 hours a day while never being shut off, driven hard during those 20-21 hours......every single day.
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Typical example of stereo typing
Exactly but I'm wrong. I've had a Genesis before and it was good but I didn't have it long enough as BMW called me back.

The Genesis brand has come a long way and catching up to the luxury brand pretty quick. I still think the inside looks kinda cheap but the quality of the car as far as driving is pretty good. Not fuel efficient like a BMW but still good. It's like thinking of a Hyundai or Kia. Both brands have made huge strides in innovation and technology. Not the POS they used to be.
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Hope it remains troublefree.

It's KIA counterpart has logged a lot of complaints however...
Lets just hope its better than the 2 previous 550i's we had. The wonderful N63 engine put together is a maintenance nightmare!! But I'm hoping the first year ride will be ok.
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What percentage of these problems stem from the n63 engine?
Dont get me started on the N63 engine. Lets just say both of my past 550i's were a joke. They took off at least 2 years of my life!!
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