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      06-26-2020, 12:42 PM   #89
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Genesis, Lexus and Buick? Really!!
Who even buying them...
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Genesis, Lexus and Buick? Really!!
Who even buying them...
I get your comment for Buick and Genesis but you do realize that Lexus is the #3 Luxury Automaker behind Mercedes and then BMW, they sell more than Audi.
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Genesis, Lexus and Buick? Really!!
Who even buying them...
I do agree with Buick, total s....

Lexus IS different and Genesis came a long way with the new G80 and GV80
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      06-26-2020, 02:14 PM   #93
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Mercedes at the bottom, en par with the likes of Mitsubishi, Fiat and Dodge. jstein55 will be upset!
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      06-26-2020, 02:26 PM   #94
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Mercedes at the bottom, en par with the likes of Mitsubishi, Fiat and Dodge. jstein55 will be upset!
On the contrary not upset in the slightest! I don't buy my vehicles based on CR or JD Power, otherwise I'd be in a Toyota/Lexus.

Love both my Mercs, other than some road debris damaging a sensor, have had zero issues on the CLS in 20k+ miles, and the wife is enjoying her new GLC. While my CLS has been good the 540 it replaced was a bit problematic. : Very glad to be rid of that car!
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Bribery from US Car Makers works!
As "good" as your BMW is just to think that
Buick and Genesis is BETTER.

Must hurt.

But truth hurts. That's just life.
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Looking for love 💕 in all the wrong places...

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F love, it's too racist.

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      06-26-2020, 04:41 PM   #98
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Volvo down with Jag, Chrysler and Land Rover.

Admittedly I only skimmed but were these issues serious drivability or something like the clock won't keep accurate time?
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Volvo down with Jag, Chrysler and Land Rover.

Admittedly I only skimmed but were these issues serious drivability or something like the clock won't keep accurate time?
Probably a lot of it based on technical issues with the infotainment, and maybe for brands like FCA, Ford and Tesla cosmetic ones also.
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Anyone who has done one of these surveys knows they are meaningless. These are not reliability rankings. They are manufacturing QA/QC surveys.
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      06-27-2020, 12:39 AM   #101
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I am far more surprised by VW being in the top 5.
I bought a brand new 2008 GTI in 2008 and kept it 9 years until fall 2017. I had several issues that resulted in the engine being rebuilt at 24K then finally replaced altogether at 60K. Had a bunch of issues, AC failures, steering wheel controls, etc.

The car was so fun but we said never again. When we got fed up with the 3rd major AC repair in 9 years. We looked at everything. Honda SI, WRX, Hyundai, BMW BRZ and nothing felt as as good all around as the GTI especially with two kids. Then I got a special offer in 2017 like $4K off MSRP and we decided to try the new MkVII. The price was good but man, we fell stupidly in love again with the GTI. We agonized then I remembered that my mom bought a brand new Jetta GLI in 2012 and it was 5 years old. I called her up and we chatted. She had not had a single major issue in 5 years. The GTI was soooooo good and the price was good so we bought a new one. It will be 3 years in the fall and it has been outstanding. Not a single major issue. A few creaks here and there but not any more than both my BMWs. So I am not surprised by it. I have spoken up on a several posts where people bash BMWs made in US and Mexico as if German built cars were so much better. NAH. Sorry, I have owned 4 BMWs since 2005 and still own two and without a doubt they are both German built and unreliable. Period. The real irony is that both my mom's Jetta and our current GTI were made in Mexico and hands down have been more reliable than the my 4 German built BMWs and VW.
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So funny how Buick, Chevrolet, and GMC are spaced so far apart from each other on that chart, as if the brands are all somehow drastically different from each other.
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It's hilarious me that MB is STILL below industry average. It's been like that for over a decade now.

I had a 2006 C230 Sport that I kept for 12 years since new and it was the most reliable car I have ever owned. This was coming from owning two Honda's previously, which were actually both NOT reliable, due to faulty transmissions and HVAC.
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It's hilarious me that MB is STILL below industry average. It's been like that for over a decade now.
A year ago, without knowing MB too much, I would have been very surprised and said no way MB can be this unreliable. However, since then, through thorough research, I have realized MB to be terrible. Also car rattles apparently seem to be included in every car. Not to mention how limiting their extended warranties are in terms of actually paying out as designed.

Previously wanted a GLC AMG. Glad I came to my senses and was off that bandwagon.
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It's hilarious me that MB is STILL below industry average. It's been like that for over a decade now.
A year ago, without knowing MB too much, I would have been very surprised and said no way MB can be this unreliable. However, since then, through thorough research, I have realized MB to be terrible. Also car rattles apparently seem to be included in every car. Not to mention limiting their extended warranties are in terms of actually paying out as designed.

Previously wanted a GLC AMG. Glad I came to my senses and was off that bandwagon.
Mid 2000's MB's IMO were far more reliable than they are now. I wouldn't trust MB now for the same reasons you stated.

What was surprising to me was that in the mid 2000's, JD reports still ranked them pretty much where they are right now. Nothing changed lol.
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All cars have rattles. Has nothing to do with reliability. To me reliable means no consistent repairs needed outside of typical maintenance
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It's hilarious me that MB is STILL below industry average. It's been like that for over a decade now.
A year ago, without knowing MB too much, I would have been very surprised and said no way MB can be this unreliable. However, since then, through thorough research, I have realized MB to be terrible. Also car rattles apparently seem to be included in every car. Not to mention limiting their extended warranties are in terms of actually paying out as designed.

Previously wanted a GLC AMG. Glad I came to my senses and was off that bandwagon.
Mid 2000's MB's IMO were far more reliable than they are now. I wouldn't trust MB now for the same reasons you stated.

What was surprising to me was that in the mid 2000's, JD reports still ranked them pretty much where they are right now. Nothing changed lol.
My family's W203 and W204 C Class's were huge pieces garbage - rattles, electric issues, poor seals and gaskets. Those 2 experiences alone are why Mercedes would have to have a product that was leaps ahead of the competition for me or my family to even consider them again. Our BMWs at that time had their issues (relatively minor) but none to the degree to what I experienced with Mercedes.
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All cars have rattles. Has nothing to do with reliability. To me reliable means no consistent repairs needed outside of typical maintenance
All cars have degrees of rattle. Once a rattle becomes too intrusive and requires constant attention at a dealer, it then becomes a reliability issue.

Regardless whether or not this points to the survey at hand, it does point to the fact that MB should increase its standards that is fitting for the brand.
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Interesting. I have a c230 beater that got 360,000 miles out of the original motor before I needed a replacement (...and I could have just replaced the bad lifters instead, but decided on a new motor). That's pretty damn reliable if you ask me.
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Not mine brother. Rattles are unacceptable in new cars and more so in those costing well over $35K.
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