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The 'pure' was allegedly going to be less expensive than the other models. Making it CS would send the price far north? Or am I missing something here ? |
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03-13-2019, 04:49 PM | #70 |
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I wonder how many 6MT owners complain about lack of traction. I have never had a big issue, and I suspect that manual clutch operation naturally softens the torque shock to the wheels on upshifts and provides some inherent modulation.
That, and unless you actually drive your DCT actually like a true manual (100% control of gear changes, planning shifts in advance, etc.) there's always at least a little guesswork in matching your throttle modulation to what the transmission will do. Regardless, DCT and automatic cars are simply not fun on the street to me. I enjoy driving my 230hp ZHP on my commute far more than any automatic car I've ever driven, including my S4 and various other M cars, AMG's, and PDK Porsches. Having a manual keeps you engaged in the process all the time, and clicking off a perfect series of heel/toe downshifts can make even stopping at a stoplight entertaining. If all you want to do is put your foot down and go fast, buy a Tesla. There are a dozen of other cars out there if you want an AWD automatic that doesn't take any skill to drive. It's akin to wanting a Camry with a big block V8 . . . that's just not what the car should be, and you'd be better off just buying a muscle car. Don't get me wrong, I clearly understand the trends in the market and I don't blame people if they want an AWD car because it lets them drive it in the winter or they don't really care about driving on the track or something. The thing that gets me is when people say they "don't understand the hate for AWD." That should be pretty obvious . . . it's taking away one of the main factors that makes the M3 special and unique, and one of the main factors that gives it its character. Sort of like how an Ecoboost Mustang will *never* be as special as a GT350, regardless of how it performs.
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Can we all just get along.
It is what it is. Times are changing so rapidly nowadays that day you drive your new BMW off the lot it car becomes outdated. Manuals are unfortunately just about done. AWD automatics are the future and already here for us now. We are going to end up like Mercedes and Audi. It's just the reality. Even though I won't be purchasing the G80 I'm excited to see what BMW has in store for it. I'll still be going to the grave with my manual F80 though. When I get older I'll probably look into the X3M or something in those lines for the future daily or for the future wife. Haha.
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If you use DCT as it's meant to be used, i feel it's just as "fun" as MT. It shifts just as "hard" and is crisp. When I don't want to shift manually anymore, I just pop it into auto. Now I haven't driven the 8 spd auto, but it doesn't sound like it drives or shifts the same way. Anyone driven the m5? |
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Lazy driving is not an excuse. I’ve driven the M3, regular and ZCP, on track in wet or dry without any problems. Actually was always one of the quicker cars there in the rain, those Cup 2 on Porsche’s are crap in the wet. I have absolutely no idea what you guys are complaining about with lack of rear traction. In fact, it’s still lack of grip at the front which limits track potential.
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Man, shit. I guess this will be my last M3 6 speed since it won't be an option 😞 maybe I'll have to buy an old e46 to pair with a G80..
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It's all preference my friend. You let the car do a lot of automatic things for you (e.g., traction control, navigation, todays climate control is automated, auto-high beam assist, and more). Do I want my car driving for me? Maybe, at 3 AM after driving for 8 hours and I'm exhausted, but frankly, wouldn't trust it enough to actually fall asleep. Do I want my car to shift gears - when it does it faster and better than me - yup. I know several pro and notable race car drivers that love the auto of today on the track. For me, it lets me focus on turning. Quote:
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Finally after all my years of hard lobbying in getting BMW M Division to listen. We will have a bad ass AWD M3 & M4!!!
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From what I've seen and heard about the new M xDrive system, I'm not too worried because it seems it keeps this RWD character that I enjoy but adds even more performance and safety on top of that which is very cool. My ideal G80 M3 would be M xDrive & 6 speed manual. |
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I'm just so confused... Didn't someone confirm the M3 sDrive "Pure" version was supposed to come with a 6spd. So does this mean this is the last generation for M2/M3/M4 to come in a 6spd manual????
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Yeah i think there will be no manual anymore. If the m3 gets no manual then the m2 also gets no manual.
Bmw is not going to make a manual gearbox fit for just one car. All BMW 3 and 4 series get the 8HP ZF gearbox and also the M3 and M4 will get the automatic gearbox with some sort of trackmode for faster shifts. ZF 8HP76X will be in the M3. The choice for automatic vs DCT is price wise. DCT is much more expensive gearbox. |
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You press a button to select the radio station You press a button to set the volume You press a button to select the temperature You press a button to set the window status You press a button to select your seat position or height With an automatic transmission with paddle shifters, you press a button to shift. No one is forcing you or advocating that you use the fully automatic mode. So based on your logic, there's no difference between the rest of the automatic things on your car and an automatic transmission w/ paddle shifters. *insert mic drop here*
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G81 xDrive 6MT!!!
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With a manual there is no switching from awd to rwd.
So it is either rwd manual or zf8 automatic with awd to rwd switch I don t think bmw will make a manual m3 anymore! |
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This is what we all want but i guess it make too much sense for Bmw so instead they will sell you a X3M overpriced and over weight with a 8AT.
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That said, the reality is that all BMW's I have driven the traction control systems are way to intrusive. Yes I have see the traction control light in my F80 flashing, but in those scenarios if it was off that doesn't mean the car would have spun out or not driven straight, it is just that if the system thinks any slip will occur it steps in. Now I am going to contradict myself a bit: MDM feels like you can put the power down better because it actually allows some slip and tires actually reach there max level of grip with some level of slip. I do not feel that the F80 has any traction issues, but it does require proper throttle modulation like any high horsepower car. |
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