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      08-04-2018, 07:05 AM   #67
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As someone who certainly wouldn't consider himself a wagon guy...that's a very nice looking wagon.
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      08-04-2018, 09:21 AM   #69
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To be fair, the S4 is a great car. As is the C43.
SO is your point that they should all look the same?
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      08-04-2018, 09:47 AM   #71
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Bring it in ///M guise and it's an instant winner!
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Very nice but I'll reserve judgement.

This car better be good. The 3-Series still pays the bills for BMW. I hope they bring back the handling and prowess that was lost in the F30 era.
Perhaps a return to "The Ultimate Driving Machine" would be nice, less emphasis on the "Tech" for me
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Looking good. Cannot wait
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These are renders but the real G20 can be laid over them with relatively no difference.

The Countdown to the Next Generation of JOY begins this weekend.

Attachment 1874048

Attachment 1873558
So Scott26 everybody want the G21 are we going to get it now? Manual transmission and G81 would be a welcome bonus.
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      08-04-2018, 10:41 AM   #76
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I've got full leather.
Agreed, I went with a G30 because the F30's interior was so shabby. Hope the new one is much better so I can get back to something more agile
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Would love to trade my M performance F31 wagon for a M performance G21 wagon, if they bring it to the states. Otherwise, I think I'm just going to Dinan my F31 and keep it.
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... I hope they bring back the handling and prowess that was lost in the F30 era.
Hope you're right but hard to comprehend that possibility when it's larger than the F30 which was already 2 inches longer than the e90 3 series which was 4 inches longer than the E46 which was 2 inches longer than the E36 which was 4 inches longer than the E30.

E30 = 170-176", E36 = 174", E46 = 176", E90 = 180", F30 = 182", G20 = 182+"

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Remember this? I like the F3x better...
That is an M Sport F30 though, OP's pic is an SE so not really fair comparison.
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Super dramatic.

Being realistic about my 340i only the steering leaves something to be desired. Objectively it handles very well with the adaptive suspension. That being said it's likely a lot better than the first couple years of the F30

And I drove a lovely e92 335i prior
They should have gotten it right from the beginning. The idea of a Lexus, Audi, or Cadillac being just as engaging or even more engaging to drive is blasphemy but is the sad truth today.

Driving dynamics aside, the F30 was a lazy effort in other areas too, notably the interior. Take the E90 interior (which came out in 2006), throw a swoopy line on the dash, cheapen the plastics, and ride that until 2019. Just pathetic.

The F30 is the perfect symbol of BMW's complacency and overall mediocrity during the 2010s decade. It started with the E89 and F10 and seems to finally be resolving with some recent products like the X3 and M5, which have gotten more positive reviews out the gate.
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Super dramatic.

Being realistic about my 340i only the steering leaves something to be desired. Objectively it handles very well with the adaptive suspension. That being said it's likely a lot better than the first couple years of the F30

And I drove a lovely e92 335i prior
They should have gotten it right from the beginning. The idea of a Lexus, Audi, or Cadillac being just as engaging or even more engaging to drive is blasphemy but is the sad truth today.

Driving dynamics aside, the F30 was a lazy effort in other areas too, notably the interior. Take the E90 interior (which came out in 2006), throw a swoopy line on the dash, cheapen the plastics, and ride that until 2019. Just pathetic.

The F30 is the perfect symbol of BMW's complacency and overall mediocrity during the 2010s decade. It started with the E89 and F10 and seems to finally be resolving with some recent products like the X3 and M5, which have gotten more positive reviews out the gate.
Audi, Caddy, Lexus, really?!?
This is the ones that have "driving dynamics"?!

The Issue begun earlier, from the excellent E46 and E39. And also E38. What came next, Yes the E9* garbage, the E6* and E65, need i say more?
These days the 2 series are a joke, the F48 is a FWD SUV, the X2...
meanwhile the F1* was rock solid, the G01 is excellent, so Looks like the new Z and 8 also is great additions, along side of the new X5. Cheap interiour, that is Audi strenght, they rule this area. BMW strength is chassi and blending together sport and comfort into a Nice package. But for real, everyone is playing safe these days, the ice is coming to an end, fast! The resources is going to the EV's, the future of mobility. The new 3 is surely decent, but no revolution, basicly what the G30 is, a refined F1*.
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They should have gotten it right from the beginning. The idea of a Lexus, Audi, or Cadillac being just as engaging or even more engaging to drive is blasphemy but is the sad truth today.

Driving dynamics aside, the F30 was a lazy effort in other areas too, notably the interior. Take the E90 interior (which came out in 2006), throw a swoopy line on the dash, cheapen the plastics, and ride that until 2019. Just pathetic.
While I don’t buy ‘the F30 was crap’ mentality, the interior was definitely a step down I have to admit! The e90 interior felt bullet proof to me, with quality plastics pretty much everywhere! The F30 in contrast has hard plastics between the seats as well as cheap sun visors (although the door trims are still pretty damn good!) Doesn’t really bother me as it still looks ok and if advances are to be made with engineering and dynamics, costs have to be cut somewhere unless we’re all happy with a huge price hike!!

Having said that, an updated model should have a better interior not a worse one!!
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That's what JustChris does with every car, he is a serial car changer!!
I am sure his dealer loves him!!!
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Please BMW send more wagons and m variant models/ diesel models to the states. Wagon looks killer
Diesel's are dead !

Get ready for a 100% Electric 3er.
I hope not
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Please BMW send more wagons and m variant models/ diesel models to the states. Wagon looks killer
Diesel's are dead !

Get ready for a 100% Electric 3er.
That couldn't be further from the truth, have you not heard about the new diesel emissions tech Bosch have developed, reducing emissions by 90%?:

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-new...-nox-emissions

And electric cars are horrendously bad for the environment, batteries requiring very scarce elements such as lithium and cobalt, the mining of both causes huge destruction of natural habitats, plus the recent news stories regarding the human rights abuses and child labor used to mine cobalt:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-tol...ndustry-congo/

Not to mention there isn't enough of either within the planet for everyone who currently owns a fossil fuel vehicle to have a battery vehicle, and on top of that even the most developed western countries do not have anywhere near the power infrastructure to cope with everyone charging their car each night.

Electric cars are a complete and utter dead end technology!

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SO is your point that they should all look the same?
Nope. German design in general just seems to have gone bland the past couple years.
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