Lead times G20 / G21 Europe?

Rickstah · 01-14-2023, 03:38 AM

I was reading Mexico build cars have a VIN that starts with 3MW

Chrisvir · 01-14-2023, 08:34 AM

You are right WBA stands BMW AG, Munich, Germany which is the manufacturer according to apost that I found here https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1558031

The 7 letter stands for the factory location which I didn't found it accurate as mine 7th letter is F

Chrisvir · 01-18-2023, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Rickstah

Just got word from my dealer that my 320e is on-route to the dealer.

Bimmer.work (mdecoder.com doesn’t work) says it’s built in Mexico, but dealer just confirmed that it is build in Munich which counts even more for the e versions. (320e/330e)… so my confusion is now complete

Have you received your car yet? Please share your opinion so far

Rickstah · 01-18-2023, 11:20 AM

No not yet

I did have a discussion today with the sales guy about where the car is actually coming from; Munich or Mexico…since the VIN decoder says Mexico.

He says he will recheck things and get back to me…

Rickstah · 01-18-2023, 11:23 AM

If European cars are indeed made in Mexico; does anyone know which ship/vessel is used for the transportation?

And to which port is it going?

Normally the dealer should be answering this but somehow they won’t..

Mjlbakker · 01-18-2023, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rickstah

If European cars are indeed made in Mexico; does anyone know which ship/vessel is used for the transportation?

And to which port is it going?

Normally the dealer should be answering this but somehow they won’t..

Not a clue.

But there are several topics on this forum about vessel info from EU to the US. So most logical would be they operate in both directions right?

Chrisvir · 01-18-2023, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rickstah

If European cars are indeed made in Mexico; does anyone know which ship/vessel is used for the transportation?

And to which port is it going?

Normally the dealer should be answering this but somehow they won’t..

I went by my dealer yesterday and mine that was built in Mexico the shipping port is Veracruz , and as I have search this a lot most common vessel is K-Lines.
From Veracruz they ship them to Germany (Bremerhaven) .

Then they install the European updates there for 2-3 days ( according to my dealer ) and then ships them to destination country.

Next scheduled trip from Veracruz to Bremerhaven is on 26/01 . Fingers crossed my car is in this vessel 😬😬

Djoest · 01-29-2023, 04:39 AM

Also recieved my vin, added to the IOS BMW App - so now I am looking at a "nearly yours" icon on my homescreen.

VIN also starts with WBA, dealer could not advise if the factory would be German or Mexican. Bimmer.work also shows Manufacturer San Luis Potosi, Mexico / BMW AG

Chrisvir · 01-29-2023, 04:57 PM

I'm at the same phase. Just keep watching my new car in the BMW app .
Hopefully it will receive soon depending on the vessel from Mexico. If bimmer work says Mexico it's probably Mexico as my colleagues was manufactured the same week as mine and his vin at bimmer says Germany (as our BMW salesman stated )

Rickstah · 01-30-2023, 07:19 AM

I contacted my salesman last week when I heard he no longer works for the dealer company

Maybe this happened after giving me false information about delivery times (for weeks). When I talked to his colleagues they told me that all G20 sedans worldwide (hybrid or not) are being built in Mexico since the LCI came out. (which was already mentioned earlier). The G20 not-LCI was built in Mexico and Munich depending on model en continent it is sold to.

The G21 (touring) is built in Munich because the G21 is mainly sold in Europe and therefore they have more production capacity in Munich for EV's, primarily the i4. Sounds logic to me...

About my 320e they could say it's waiting in the port of Veracruz to be loaded on the vessel (which one they couldn't say yet) and after that it would sail to Bremerhaven first, then maybe pass a port in the UK and then to Zeebrugge Belgium. After that it's transported via train or truck. Delivery would be approx. the end of March, maybe quicker.

Still much unclear to me but it seems like this is as much as they know.

Chrisvir · 01-30-2023, 08:15 AM

I would like to add to that information that some diesel models are still being manufactured in Germany(depending the manufacturer slots) Rickstah how long does your car waiting for vessel in Mexico?
As mine is in the same state from early January

Whitecar · 01-30-2023, 11:54 AM

My G20 was built on 2023-01-18 in Mexico and now I'm waiting for it to depart from Veracruz to Bremerhaven => Verona => Bergamo.
My salesman told me it will arrive in mid-March.

For your information this is an example of VIN decoding:

(1-3).......3MW => Manufacturer (NOT the manufacturing location!)
(4-8).....5U9J0 => Describe the vehicle, like model, body style, engine type, and transmission
(9)...........1 => Check digit for VIN
(10)..........M => Production year
(11)..........8 => Manufacturing location
(12-17)..C02562 => Factory’s production sequence number

"(Manufacturing location) + (Factory’s production sequence number)" is the UNIQ sequence number for the vehicle (the famous last 7 digits of the VIN).
Like this (minute 1:20) 8C02533:
https://youtu.be/BY_v0AGhSfI

These are some codes for the manufacturing location (11th position):
A - Munich, Germany
B - Dingolfing, Germany
C - Dingolfing, Germany
D - Dingolfing, Germany
E - Regensburg, Germany
F - Munich, Germany
G - Munich, Germany
J - Regensburg, Germany
K - Munich, Germany
L - Spartanburg, South Carolina (USA)
N - Plant Rosslyn, South Africa
8 - Planta San Luis Potosí, Mexico

All G20-LCI (petrol&diesel) are built in Mexico, except some MPA (M-Performance-Automobiles) version like M340i.
G21-LCI in Germany.

Chrisvir · 01-31-2023, 10:13 AM

Amazing info! I can confirm that my 11letter is number 8 so Mexico

Rickstah · 01-31-2023, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrisvir

I would like to add to that information that some diesel models are still being manufactured in Germany(depending the manufacturer slots) Rickstah how long does your car waiting for vessel in Mexico?
As mine is in the same state from early January

Not sure exactly since they didn't tell me.
mdecoder.com states that production date is 2023-01-18

Chrisvir · 02-01-2023, 01:30 AM

We might end up in the same boat from Mexico to Europe.

The last vessel that was departed from Veracruz headed to Europe is Victoria Highway from K-Lines let's hope some of our cars are already inside !

Steef101 · 02-01-2023, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Steef101

Ordered a G21 M340i beginning of december, expected delivery end of March, beginning of April. I am satisfied with that

Got an update today

Car is build in Germany (G21 M340i lci) and went in production now, delivery will be first week of March, pick up at dealer 2nd week of March.
Added Head up display and 19 inch Bi-colour wheels.
Car is full option, except panoramic roof, towbar and adaptive cruise with lane changing.
So excited!

Mjlbakker · 02-01-2023, 01:19 PM

It would be nice to get some more order-delivery dates in here. Just to get a general feeling about lead times.

Mine:

- G21 318i M-sport Touring
- Holland
- Ordered: Dec 1 2022
- DD: end of July (estimation)

No updates at all since then…
Via Fleet agency / lease.

Steef101 · 02-01-2023, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mjlbakker

It would be nice to get some more order-delivery dates in here. Just to get a general feeling about lead times.

Mine:

- G21 318i M-sport Touring
- Holland
- Ordered: Dec 1 2022
- DD: end of July (estimation)

No updates at all since then…
Via Fleet agency / lease.

Mine:
- G21 M340i M-sport Touring
- Holland
- Ordered 17 december
- DD: week 9 or 10 -2023
- No lease, privately owned

Chrisvir · 02-02-2023, 01:56 AM

Mine:
-G21 M340i (sedan)
-Greece
-Ordered 12 November
-DD : March - April 2023
-No lease, privately owned

Mjlbakker · 02-02-2023, 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mjlbakker

It would be nice to get some more order-delivery dates in here. Just to get a general feeling about lead times.

Mine:

- G21 318i M-sport Touring
- Holland
- Ordered: Dec 1 2022
- DD: end of July (estimation)

No updates at all since then…
Via Fleet agency / lease.

I just got an update. Delivery Date will be October 23! WTF!!

Dave_ · 02-02-2023, 04:01 AM

Hey all,

Had an update from the Genius today on my order.

-G21 M340d
-UK
-Ordered 7th Dec

I managed to get an early build slot with estimated delivery at the time of 1st March. (I'd still be amazed if I still get delivery on that date!).

Apparently my car is has just in the last 2 days gone from 'on order' to 'in production'. He couldn't provide a VIN but he said he believes it's being built in Germany, and not Mexico as I'd been told.

Djoest · 02-02-2023, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mjlbakker

I just got an update. Delivery Date will be October 23! WTF!!

That sucks, but it does match with my delivery timing.

Mine:
-G20 320e (sedan)
-Netherlands
-Ordered July
-DD : April 20th 2023
-Lease
-Config: https://webfrontend.evecp.bmw.cloud/7ffebf7

01-14-2023, 03:38 AM	#45
Rickstah Private 2 Rep 56 Posts Drives: F31 Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: The Netherlands iTrader: (0)	I was reading Mexico build cars have a VIN that starts with 3MW
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01-14-2023, 08:34 AM	#46
Chrisvir Enlisted Member 5 Rep 43 Posts Drives: M340i LCi Join Date: Dec 2022 Location: Europe iTrader: (0)	You are right WBA stands BMW AG, Munich, Germany which is the manufacturer according to apost that I found here https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1558031 The 7 letter stands for the factory location which I didn't found it accurate as mine 7th letter is F
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01-18-2023, 11:20 AM	#48
Rickstah Private 2 Rep 56 Posts Drives: F31 Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: The Netherlands iTrader: (0)	No not yet I did have a discussion today with the sales guy about where the car is actually coming from; Munich or Mexico…since the VIN decoder says Mexico. He says he will recheck things and get back to me…
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01-18-2023, 11:23 AM	#49
Rickstah Private 2 Rep 56 Posts Drives: F31 Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: The Netherlands iTrader: (0)	If European cars are indeed made in Mexico; does anyone know which ship/vessel is used for the transportation? And to which port is it going? Normally the dealer should be answering this but somehow they won’t..
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01-29-2023, 04:39 AM	#52
Djoest New Member 12 Rep 23 Posts Drives: BMW 120d Join Date: Jan 2023 Location: Netherlands iTrader: (0)	Also recieved my vin, added to the IOS BMW App - so now I am looking at a "nearly yours" icon on my homescreen. VIN also starts with WBA, dealer could not advise if the factory would be German or Mexican. Bimmer.work also shows Manufacturer San Luis Potosi, Mexico / BMW AG Last edited by Djoest; 01-29-2023 at 04:48 AM..
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01-29-2023, 04:57 PM	#53
Chrisvir Enlisted Member 5 Rep 43 Posts Drives: M340i LCi Join Date: Dec 2022 Location: Europe iTrader: (0)	I'm at the same phase. Just keep watching my new car in the BMW app . Hopefully it will receive soon depending on the vessel from Mexico. If bimmer work says Mexico it's probably Mexico as my colleagues was manufactured the same week as mine and his vin at bimmer says Germany (as our BMW salesman stated )
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01-30-2023, 07:19 AM	#54
Rickstah Private 2 Rep 56 Posts Drives: F31 Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: The Netherlands iTrader: (0)	I contacted my salesman last week when I heard he no longer works for the dealer company Maybe this happened after giving me false information about delivery times (for weeks). When I talked to his colleagues they told me that all G20 sedans worldwide (hybrid or not) are being built in Mexico since the LCI came out. (which was already mentioned earlier). The G20 not-LCI was built in Mexico and Munich depending on model en continent it is sold to. The G21 (touring) is built in Munich because the G21 is mainly sold in Europe and therefore they have more production capacity in Munich for EV's, primarily the i4. Sounds logic to me... About my 320e they could say it's waiting in the port of Veracruz to be loaded on the vessel (which one they couldn't say yet) and after that it would sail to Bremerhaven first, then maybe pass a port in the UK and then to Zeebrugge Belgium. After that it's transported via train or truck. Delivery would be approx. the end of March, maybe quicker. Still much unclear to me but it seems like this is as much as they know.
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01-30-2023, 08:15 AM	#55
Chrisvir Enlisted Member 5 Rep 43 Posts Drives: M340i LCi Join Date: Dec 2022 Location: Europe iTrader: (0)	I would like to add to that information that some diesel models are still being manufactured in Germany(depending the manufacturer slots) Rickstah how long does your car waiting for vessel in Mexico? As mine is in the same state from early January
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01-30-2023, 11:54 AM	#56
Whitecar Registered 0 Rep 2 Posts Drives: BMW G20 lci Join Date: Jan 2023 Location: Italy iTrader: (0)	My G20 was built on 2023-01-18 in Mexico and now I'm waiting for it to depart from Veracruz to Bremerhaven => Verona => Bergamo. My salesman told me it will arrive in mid-March. For your information this is an example of VIN decoding: (1-3).......3MW => Manufacturer (NOT the manufacturing location!) (4-8).....5U9J0 => Describe the vehicle, like model, body style, engine type, and transmission (9)...........1 => Check digit for VIN (10)..........M => Production year (11)..........8 => Manufacturing location (12-17)..C02562 => Factory’s production sequence number "(Manufacturing location) + (Factory’s production sequence number)" is the UNIQ sequence number for the vehicle (the famous last 7 digits of the VIN). Like this (minute 1:20) 8C02533: https://youtu.be/BY_v0AGhSfI These are some codes for the manufacturing location (11th position): A - Munich, Germany B - Dingolfing, Germany C - Dingolfing, Germany D - Dingolfing, Germany E - Regensburg, Germany F - Munich, Germany G - Munich, Germany J - Regensburg, Germany K - Munich, Germany L - Spartanburg, South Carolina (USA) N - Plant Rosslyn, South Africa 8 - Planta San Luis Potosí, Mexico All G20-LCI (petrol&diesel) are built in Mexico, except some MPA (M-Performance-Automobiles) version like M340i. G21-LCI in Germany. Last edited by Whitecar; 01-30-2023 at 12:00 PM..
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01-31-2023, 10:13 AM	#57
Chrisvir Enlisted Member 5 Rep 43 Posts Drives: M340i LCi Join Date: Dec 2022 Location: Europe iTrader: (0)	Amazing info! I can confirm that my 11letter is number 8 so Mexico
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02-01-2023, 01:30 AM	#59
Chrisvir Enlisted Member 5 Rep 43 Posts Drives: M340i LCi Join Date: Dec 2022 Location: Europe iTrader: (0)	We might end up in the same boat from Mexico to Europe. The last vessel that was departed from Veracruz headed to Europe is Victoria Highway from K-Lines let's hope some of our cars are already inside !
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Mjlbakker Private First Class 41 Rep 146 Posts Drives: 2023 G21 318i (in order) - 20 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Netherlands iTrader: (0)	It would be nice to get some more order-delivery dates in here. Just to get a general feeling about lead times. Mine: - G21 318i M-sport Touring - Holland - Ordered: Dec 1 2022 - DD: end of July (estimation) No updates at all since then… Via Fleet agency / lease. __________________ Real Wheel Drive
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Chrisvir Enlisted Member 5 Rep 43 Posts Drives: M340i LCi Join Date: Dec 2022 Location: Europe iTrader: (0)	Mine: -G21 M340i (sedan) -Greece -Ordered 12 November -DD : March - April 2023 -No lease, privately owned
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02-02-2023, 04:01 AM	#65
Dave_ Enlisted Member 20 Rep 34 Posts Drives: G21 M340D Join Date: Jan 2023 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	Hey all, Had an update from the Genius today on my order. -G21 M340d -UK -Ordered 7th Dec I managed to get an early build slot with estimated delivery at the time of 1st March. (I'd still be amazed if I still get delivery on that date!). Apparently my car is has just in the last 2 days gone from 'on order' to 'in production'. He couldn't provide a VIN but he said he believes it's being built in Germany, and not Mexico as I'd been told.
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