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      09-28-2018, 05:58 PM   #221
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I was surprised how much value I’ve lost in my car. I own a 2011 335i with sports pkg and it would barely get 10k according to NADA which we know that the dealers don’t use so it would be less than that but it gives me an estimate. I then checked the 2011 Lexus IS 350 similarly equipped and it’s valued at close to 3 or 4 grand more than my car according to a Sept 2018 orange cover little NADA book.

It appears (long term) that Lexus holds a higher value than BMW why?
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I was surprised how much value I've lost in my car. I own a 2011 335i with sports pkg and it would barely get 10k according to NADA which we know that the dealers don't use so it would be less than that but it gives me an estimate. I then checked the 2011 Lexus IS 350 similarly equipped and it's valued at close to 3 or 4 grand more than my car according to a Sept 2018 orange cover little NADA book.

It appears (long term) that Lexus holds a higher value than BMW why?
I got $9000 on trade for my 2011 328i with 76K miles. Car was pristine in and out. I am sure I would have been able to fetch $11K-$12K on a private sale with plenty of patience.

The car was purchased CPO so I was never affected by the first year depreciation. I bought it when it was 12 months old.
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I was surprised how much value I’ve lost in my car. I own a 2011 335i with sports pkg and it would barely get 10k according to NADA which we know that the dealers don’t use so it would be less than that but it gives me an estimate. I then checked the 2011 Lexus IS 350 similarly equipped and it’s valued at close to 3 or 4 grand more than my car according to a Sept 2018 orange cover little NADA book.

It appears (long term) that Lexus holds a higher value than BMW why?
Long term reliability

BMW will probably never match Japanese long term reliability.
Most buyers of cars over 3 years old want and need reliability and nothing can match Japanese reliability sadly!!

Also I doubt whether Lexus discount their new cars as heavily as BMW do...
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I was surprised how much value I've lost in my car. I own a 2011 335i with sports pkg and it would barely get 10k according to NADA which we know that the dealers don't use so it would be less than that but it gives me an estimate. I then checked the 2011 Lexus IS 350 similarly equipped and it's valued at close to 3 or 4 grand more than my car according to a Sept 2018 orange cover little NADA book.

It appears (long term) that Lexus holds a higher value than BMW why?
Long term reliability

BMW will probably never match Japanese long term reliability.
Most buyers of cars over 3 years old want and need reliability and nothing can match Japanese reliability sadly!!

Also I doubt whether Lexus discount their new cars as heavily as BMW do...
I believe there are a lot of myths surrounding so called Japanese reliability. Spend time in Honda and Toyota forums to see what I am talking about.

Japan, inc automobiles made in the 1990s enjoyed great reliability. I don't believe that is the case with their 21st century breathen.

Never had any issues with my 328i E90 in 7 years of ownership, other than scheduled maintenance. There are BMWs with 200K, 300K + miles out there. Just sayin'....
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I was surprised how much value I’ve lost in my car. I own a 2011 335i with sports pkg and it would barely get 10k according to NADA which we know that the dealers don’t use so it would be less than that but it gives me an estimate. I then checked the 2011 Lexus IS 350 similarly equipped and it’s valued at close to 3 or 4 grand more than my car according to a Sept 2018 orange cover little NADA book.

It appears (long term) that Lexus holds a higher value than BMW why?
My 2009 328xi with 97k Miles just got totalled. Payout was 9500. I did ED on it and paid 37k. Had no issues with it other than wear and tear.
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I believe there are a lot of myths surrounding so called Japanese reliability. Spend time in Honda and Toyota forums to see what I am talking about.

Japan, inc automobiles made in the 1990s enjoyed great reliability. I don't believe that is the case with their 21st century breathen.

Never had any issues with my 328i E90 in 7 years of ownership, other than scheduled maintenance. There are BMWs with 200K, 300K + miles out there. Just sayin'....
I probably agree with you up to a point, I think all brands are getting more & more reliable as technology moves forward... I think the Japanese brands forged this ‘reliability’ reputation back in the 80’s when the cars were actually built in Japan! I used to drive a Japanese built Nissan but many Nissans are now built here in the UK and I’m sure are probably not as reliable as they once were!

I had various problems with my e92 a few years ago... admittedly the fact the coils kept packing up would have been down to Bosch (who probably have them made in China nowadays!?) but then the cat needed replacing... thankfully all within warranty! Didn’t put me off BMW at all tho and my e90 & two F30s haven’t caused me any problems! I am in the fortunate position of being able to replace my cars once the warranty period ends tho which helps!

We can only really go by the big reliability surveys which are carried out yearly to gauge a brands overall performance in this area and here Lexus are ALWAYS at the top... I’d still never buy one tho
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      09-29-2018, 05:44 AM   #228
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I believe there are a lot of myths surrounding so called Japanese reliability. Spend time in Honda and Toyota forums to see what I am talking about.

Japan, inc automobiles made in the 1990s enjoyed great reliability. I don't believe that is the case with their 21st century breathen.

Never had any issues with my 328i E90 in 7 years of ownership, other than scheduled maintenance. There are BMWs with 200K, 300K + miles out there. Just sayin'....
Problem is these myths and perceived/established viewpoints stick.

Remember the VW tagline, “If only everything in life was as reliable as a Volkswagen”. Many folks bought into that perception of reliability, was nothing like the reality for many VW users.

The deep intake of breath from some, when discussing running older BMWs, "They are a minefield", "better be prepared for big bills", etc.

Add the idea Japanese cars are the most reliable, a lot of truth in that viewpoint, but not the whole story over time, as we know.

Hard to change opinion once it seems to be set in stone. Prices will be influenced by on going opinion and perceptions.
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I believe there are a lot of myths surrounding so called Japanese reliability. Spend time in Honda and Toyota forums to see what I am talking about.

Japan, inc automobiles made in the 1990s enjoyed great reliability. I don't believe that is the case with their 21st century breathen.

Never had any issues with my 328i E90 in 7 years of ownership, other than scheduled maintenance. There are BMWs with 200K, 300K + miles out there. Just sayin'....
No doubt some Japanese cars are very reliable, but there are not so appetizing reasons for that. Buy a brand spanking new 4Runner and you get treated to a car designed before many of today’s car buyers were born, nifty halogen lights, a 5 cog gearbox and an infotainment screen not far from a 1980’s Pac-Man arcade game’s resolution.

BMW on the other hand is out in front pushing the envelope in engine, infotainment and chassis technology. That said my 2015 M3 was built in the 1st month of production, is now in it’s 5th year and has been rock solid. Then my early N54 car wasn’t the same story, great progress sometime comes with an initial reliability cost.
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I probably agree with you up to a point, I think all brands are getting more & more reliable as technology moves forward... I think the Japanese brands forged this ‘reliability’ reputation back in the 80’s when the cars were actually built in Japan! I used to drive a Japanese built Nissan but many Nissans are now built here in the UK and I’m sure are probably not as reliable as they once were!

I had various problems with my e92 a few years ago... admittedly the fact the coils kept packing up would have been down to Bosch (who probably have them made in China nowadays!?) but then the cat needed replacing... thankfully all within warranty! Didn’t put me off BMW at all tho and my e90 & two F30s haven’t caused me any problems! I am in the fortunate position of being able to replace my cars once the warranty period ends tho which helps!

We can only really go by the big reliability surveys which are carried out yearly to gauge a brands overall performance in this area and here Lexus are ALWAYS at the top... I’d still never buy one tho
I have had honda for 2 years and got few problems, I have got ford for 4 years and got a lot of problems, I have got bimmer for 4 years and zero problem so far
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I have had honda for 2 years and got few problems, I have got ford for 4 years and got a lot of problems, I have got bimmer for 4 years and zero problem so far
I guess maybe the "old timers/dinasaurs" might remember what the F.O.R.D. really stood for:
Frequent Overhaul Rapid Depreciation.

Sorrrrrry, I just couldn't resist.
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