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Now, let's see how BMW (and everyone else) address public charging infrastructure - 3rd party options aren't cutting it. |
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03-26-2019, 12:25 PM | #47 | |
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The Model 3 is a great car for what it is but BMW should now take their time to release a quality product - it can afford to because all their eggs aren't in one electric basket. Working in tech in the Bay Area, I have tried it. Many co-workers have one. With every update they get better but the software was half baked on release. No getting around that fact. BMW won't have that level of tolerance that seems to have come from Tesla's "first mover" advantage. So they should take their time and get it right
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03-26-2019, 12:30 PM | #48 | |
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If it wasn't for Tesla, BMW would not be doing much of anything. BMW is dragging their feet, is in no hurry, and is truly paying a huge price accordingly.
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03-26-2019, 12:56 PM | #49 | |
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03-26-2019, 01:06 PM | #51 | |
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But, with regard to competing with the other higher volume Model 3 trim levels, it is not sufficient for BMW's product to simply "drive better" (nor be better in other areas including, just for example, tech, quality, or service). It must be offered at a price people are willing to pay, and that is where the real challenge lies. In the US at least, BMW will have the full tax credit until they reach 200k EV sales, so that will help. But even with that in play, they are in a tough spot. Margins on the Model 3 SR are thin at best, and that's with a 50kW battery instead of the 60 kW battery BMW has apparently determined they need to cover the powertrain efficiency deficit. So BMW will have little room to play with MSRP. Furthermore, they knick their more profitable ICE business with each 4 Series (or 3 Series) sale the i4 costs them. Therefore, while the i4 is still over a year away, it isn't clear how low BMW will be able to get with the MSRP. Perhaps they do not need a $35k i4 60 to compete with Tesla. But they probably have to do better than a $45k i4 60, and that might mean putting themselves in a risky place. |
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They have battery supply restraints as well as a limited charge network to help build out.
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03-26-2019, 01:19 PM | #54 | |
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I feel like BMW and other legacy manufactures treat the infotainment system on their cars as "firmware", often running on "underpowered" hardware. they want to get everything right on the first go. that's why their systems seems more polished and don't need frequent updates. but the major downside is they lack performance and advance features. Tesla is treating their system as an OS, OS needs to be constantly updated to make it perform better. and i think this is the way it's going to go. more features, "half baked", constant OTA will be the norm for infotainment systems very soon. |
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Im all for something like the size of the 4er gran coupe with the range of an ICE (350+) and AWD.
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Right, but ynguldyn's point is that the Model 3 Performance is not where the meat of the market is. Yes, having a high performance EV would be great too, but on the list of Tesla product specifications keeping BMW engineers, designers, and execs up at night at this juncture, that one (the Model 3 Performance acceleration figure) is probably somewhat near the bottom.
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looking at the specs of the i4 i feel BMW should be very aggressive in its pricing. They should match the price of the model 3 RWD LR and AWD LR as close as possible even if it means operating with a thin or near zero margin.
if they do this they will be the leader in BEVs among legacy brands, first to market with a compelling, no compromise alternative to the model 3. |
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https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1595554 If it were such a simple solution, everybody would be doing it, or would have done it already. BMW is at an even bigger disadvantage due to their small size. This is why you see them moving quickly to partner. This is not a drill, folks. |
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Just as with the i4 though, how much room they have to play with MSRP in order to build that momentum depending on market response is going to be a key factor. It could be a bumpy ride. |
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Which does drive home the point: they're all fighting for the EV market tooth and nail, and the stakes are very high. |
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The iX3 is going to be a great step forward for BMW. Meanwhile... Mercedes just announced, all AMG Cars moving forward will be plug-ins... https://insideevs.com/mercedes-amg-plug-in-hybrid/
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Perhaps from stop sign to stop sign drivability you are correct, but a commute trip where you have a mix of different roads, a car, electric car as any other, allows to experience more than just the stick and sound. You get to experience handling, steering, and of course the speed and power of the car. I think electric cars can be good and fun, if they build to deliver that. Sort of what I learned from my i8 test drive.
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Apart from the rubbish interior the S is actually a fun car to drive. Still, I prefer my i3 over the S. No sound = no noise |
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RWD EVs are great fun due to the instantaneous torque and low center of gravity, what performance EV have you been driving.
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