[Paragon1]

Originally Posted by Nigelo

Either this or an angry koala....

That, or they used hitlers mustache as a design inspiration...

[J-RO]

Originally Posted by Ghostriderf80

My M2 is the last BMW I will own. There is Senna Ugly and then there is BMW ugly.

This ugliness runs at a premium of 39000£ for a diesel model. LMAO.

Between Brexit and Coronavirus and this grill, I am expecting to see Aliens released from Are 51.

Not sure how you put Brexit and the coronavirus in the same sentence.

[golf_234]

Originally Posted by KoenG

Apparently, BMW had so much raving customers' feedback on the delicate and balanced front view of the 7, that they wanted to really treat us with their new 4. They must have thought: let's take this winning concept one giant step further.

Man, that 7 is truly awful. Never grown on me, never improved. Just massively disproportionate, not appealing. With the 4, it is marginal for sure, but gotta say, when it comes down to it, I won't be voting with my wallet for the design, so that is what it is. I don't even have the subtle desire or interest. Which definitely speaks to how I actually feel about it. I am glad and hoping the 2 and 3 series are preserved and not all hacked up.

None of past BMW designs have really had to "grow on me" most have been instant appreciation.

Though entry BMWs have pretty much always been lame, they have never been truly astoundingly terrible. That black one is just unbelievably bad. Atrocity.

Gotta say, from the sounds of it, interviews, and so forth, not really digging this new head of design. Sounds kind of arrogant combined with also a lack of skill and design intuition, not a good combination.

[Karmic Man]

Originally Posted by mcjohnsonsg

I agree with all of that. Was just disagreeing that the Chinese just like and buy what the west likes.

Mainland Chinese with money only buy what's 'hot' in the West! What celebrities in the US and Europe drive, carry and wear.

No need for BMW to reinvent the wheel by building something different. Totally flawed mentality!

The only exception might be colour options on the car.

[Shantosh Seewooruttun]

Very ugly, IMO. The double-kidney shape simply does not fit aestetically when it comes to large-sized grills. Why BMW cannot see this?

[Nomana]

Originally Posted by golf_234

Man, that 7 is truly awful. Never grown on me, never improved. Just massively disproportionate, not appealing. With the 4, it is marginal for sure, but gotta say, when it comes down to it, I won't be voting with my wallet for the design, so that is what it is. I don't even have the subtle desire or interest. Which definitely speaks to how I actually feel about it. I am glad and hoping the 2 and 3 series are preserved and not all hacked up.

None of past BMW designs have really had to "grow on me" most have been instant appreciation.

Though entry BMWs have pretty much always been lame, they have never been truly astoundingly terrible. That black one is just unbelievably bad. Atrocity.

Gotta say, from the sounds of it, interviews, and so forth, not really digging this new head of design. Sounds kind of arrogant combined with also a lack of skill and design intuition, not a good combination.

Before I saw the 7 in person, I thought it's so ugly but when I went to the dealer, man it looked so nice and very proper car IMO

[seepete753]

Originally Posted by RowanBuds

I've already signed the next fun cars' PO, and it's not coming from Munich (or fucking Mexico/SC for that matter).


RB

Soooooo... whatcha doing with that Le Mans Blue F80??? I may know a guy who would buy it

[KevinGS]

Originally Posted by Shantosh Seewooruttun

Very ugly, IMO. The double-kidney shape simply does not fit aestetically when it comes to large-sized grills. Why BMW cannot see this?

So true. I can't believe this ever made it out of the design studio. And it's not just the shape, but that chrome dot matrix design within the grill itself is just unsightly since it covers too much of the front of the car.

It will be interesting to see how sales are for the first 2 years with this grill design before the refresh, which we can rest assured will involve a revised grill in some form. And the aftermarket should make a mint redoing these grills for enthusiasts like us.

[golf_234]

Originally Posted by Nomana

Before I saw the 7 in person, I thought it's so ugly but when I went to the dealer, man it looked so nice and very proper car IMO

Interesting, I will keep an open mind next time I am in the stealership.
I have noticed modern BMWs in general just don't photograph very well, for whatever reason. When shooting my F30 I definitely have to get the angles right to represent how the car actually looks.

[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by Russkey

I always tell people wait a few months and everyone will get used to changes and praise new model! I cannot say the same this time. They will probably sell a lot of these to Asian market, so they don't care. I'm sure most fans of F32/F82 are going to go another route.

F82 owners won’t go another route, because even if some of them don’t like the new design, they’re mostly enthusiasts and they care more about engine - that 500+ HP -, transmission, performance, balance, driving experience, technology, engineering... List goes on.

[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by golf_234

Gotta say, from the sounds of it, interviews, and so forth, not really digging this new head of design. Sounds kind of arrogant combined with also a lack of skill and design intuition, not a good combination.

Based on what are you judging his skills and design intuition? Your taste? You think very highly of your personal opinions.

Btw, any designer would laugh at loud at this:

None of past BMW designs have really had to "grow on me" most have been instant appreciation.

Good design is art, and the best of art is mostly polarizing. I can draw a car that anyone would like. Hack, even if you photoshop the grills on this car, most dinosaurs here jump on it “I’d buy that”. Does that mean those photo shoppers are good designers? Should they be hired by BMW? No. Just like a mediocre modern artist can draw a sunset, and everyone would love it. But a Picasso painting would be polarizing. Actually best and most revolutionary designs should grow on you. Instantly liking it might not be a good sign.

Personally, I did like F82 and bought one right after it was released. But looking back, F82 actually comes out as a very forgettable design. G22 and G82 design won’t be.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by golf_234

Interesting, I will keep an open mind next time I am in the stealership.
I have noticed modern BMWs in general just don't photograph very well, for whatever reason. When shooting my F30 I definitely have to get the angles right to represent how the car actually looks.

I still haven't warmed up to the 7er and its grills which I find more appropriate for an SUV than sedan, but my dealer also pre-installs front plates which gives the 7er an overbite look. I liked the pre-LCI, however truthfully if I was looking for a flagship an S-Class would be my only choice and I wouldn't bother looking at the competition.

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by Nomana

Before I saw the 7 in person, I thought it's so ugly but when I went to the dealer, man it looked so nice and very proper car IMO

The 7 really does look much better in person.

[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by KevinGS

So true. I can't believe this ever made it out of the design studio. And it's not just the shape, but that chrome dot matrix design within the grill itself is just unsightly since it covers too much of the front of the car.

It will be interesting to see how sales are for the first 2 years with this grill design before the refresh, which we can rest assured will involve a revised grill in some form. And the aftermarket should make a mint redoing these grills for enthusiasts like us.

Big grills with big headlights and big fender muscles aren’t designed to be ‘pretty’ or ‘beautiful’. They’re designed to be impactful, assertive, powerful, head turner. That’s why they don’t photograph well, but they impress in person. Especially this G82 will be very much in that category.

[EXE46]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

No, but mods look nice. Most cars look just fine in stock form. Individualization just gives it a personal touch.

I came from modding bimmers back in the E46 days. Today, I am not into heavily modified cars anymore. Stock cars are fine. When enthusiasts are looking for used cars they gravitate towards a clean stock car. oftentimes the stock car with age is not only more desirable. It looks better as well.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by EXE46

I came from modding bimmers back in the E46 days. Today, I am not into heavily modified cars anymore. Stock cars are fine. When enthusiasts are looking for used cars they gravitate towards a clean stock car. oftentimes the stock car with age is not only more desirable. It looks better as well.

As did I. I bought my first BMW, a 330ci, in 2000-2001, then promptly moved to the E46 M3 as soon as it was released. About 14 BMW's later I am still with the brand despite short stints with Infiniti and Range Rover.

[golf_234]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

Based on what are you judging his skills and design intuition? Your taste? You think very highly of your personal opinions.

Btw, any designer would laugh at loud at this:



Good design is art, and the best of art is mostly polarizing. I can draw a car that anyone would like. Hack, even if you photoshop the grills on this car, most dinosaurs here jump on it “I’d buy that”. Does that mean those photo shoppers are good designers? Should they be hired by BMW? No. Just like a mediocre modern artist can draw a sunset, and everyone would love it. But a Picasso painting would be polarizing. Actually best and most revolutionary designs should grow on you. Instantly liking it might not be a good sign.

Personally, I did like F82 and bought one right after it was released. But looking back, F82 actually comes out as a very forgettable design. G22 and G82 design won’t be.

You're right, I do think highly of my opinions when they have been thought through, great observation. Thank you, I appreciate it.

My comment in fact is based on experience, I am a mechanical engineer with over 20 years of design experience and am the head mechanical engineer for a company known worldwide, that I am quite sure you know of. So my comment is based on thousands of hours of study and work. Not an armchair opinion.

My gripe with Dukec is not that he has bad ideas in general, I appreciate that he is set to push things forward, definitely shooting for the muscular, with allusions to some heritage form, but I have noticed discrepancy from his concept car work to production, in that the concepts look good but much less so in a MP form. So that signals to me a designer that has a little bit of work to do in that area. I don't care if he is the head designer at BMW, doesn't mean I can't and won't have a clear opinion on his work.

Some design can be polarizing, but the greats are fairly universally celebrated. How many people have you met who hate the Ferrari 250 Berlinetta or the E46 CSL? Going out on a limb and going to say close to zero, or you just know ignorant fringe type people.


I definitively disagree with you on the F series being forgettable from a design standpoint, and think it is one of the more daring designs they have done , especially in the beautiful M sport trims like mine and in my signature. Much better than the E90 which is mostly an "ok" design.


Observe the following designs. They speak for themselves. Wouldn't say that about the G22 so far.

Cheers mate and good luck to you out there.

[golf_234]

One last image... which one does not belong?

I will give you credit in that it at least could be a stepping stone, so I won't go so far as to deny that, and in some ways appreciate that, but I am not going to delusionally agree that Dukec hit the nail on the head on this iteration. Not even close. A stepping stone, maybe. Certainly not voting with my wallet. Will have to see with the LCI or next model. Long 6 years ahead. For the record, evaluated this design for quite some time, but won't buy, which is the tell for me personally. @cortex, let me ask you, would you sell your 540 to buy this, and is there hesitation at all if so? If you hesitate, you have to call your own bluff, especially if you are thinking in context of design greats as we have been.

[RPM33]

Originally Posted by Ghostriderf80

My M2 is the last BMW I will own. There is Senna Ugly and then there is BMW ugly.

This ugliness runs at a premium of 39000£ for a diesel model. LMAO.

Between Brexit and Coronavirus and this grill, I am expecting to see Aliens released from Are 51.

I'm probably with you Ghostrider. I'm probably not getting an allocation for a M2 CS due to low supply, plus these new M3/M4's are ugly, huge, heavy (nearly 4000 pounds for AWD Competition) and won't have DCT.

I can only imagine the reviews on YouTube showing everyone how big the grilles are. It is such a distraction and a deal breaker for many. Not to mention the other turnoffs mentioned above.

[golf_234]

Originally Posted by RPM33

I'm probably with you Ghostrider. I'm probably not getting an allocation for a M2 CS due to low supply, plus these new M3/M4's are ugly, huge, heavy (nearly 4000 pounds for AWD Competition) and won't have DCT.

I can only imagine the reviews on YouTube showing everyone how big the grilles are. It is such a distraction and a deal breaker for many. Not to mention the other turnoffs mentioned above.

To their credit, the G20 3 is a stunner, the 2 series / M2 is also excellent, and the 5 is also awesome. So the model lineup does have many options for different styles and personalities, and each model is becoming more and more unique. I do appreciate that. I still am optimistic. I don't think it is necessarily true that all models are going to resemble the 4 eventually. One unfortunate thing about the 4 that is true on pretty much all BMWs but is just really bad on this one is the discrepancy between the base model and the M Sport version. It is just really bad to have your base model rolling around town that is an absolute atrocity.

I mean, back in the day, base model. It's no ZHP but still beautiful and a solid platform

[EXE46]

G29 is also one very good looking car, the best of the G-Series. Z4-M40i is a strong contender as my next car.

I too never cared for the E90 styling both exterior and interior. To me the E46/E36 were better styled cars, inside and out.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by EXE46

G29 is also one very good looking car, the best of the G-Series. Z4-M40i is a strong contender as my next car.

I too never cared for the E90 styling both exterior and interior. To me the E46/E36 were better styled cars, inside and out.

Z4 M40i was almost the perfect car for me, only thing its missing is the proper transmission of a roadster.