[kamendex]

SPECULATING F80 M3 time
(sources: https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/hockenheim-gp & https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/hockenheim-short)

We can use Hockheim short track as a comparison to guess how the m340xi compares to the F80 M3 on the Hockenheim GP track. Using the Mercedes AMG GT as a benchmark we can see that the F80 M3 is ~2.7 seconds slower than the AMG GT on the Hockenheim short. On the Hockenheim GP we can see that the m340 is ~5.7 seconds slower than the AMG GT.

Furthermore, we can see that there was a 45 second difference between the Hockenheim GP and Short time for the AMG GT. So using these as a benchmark, we can speculate that an F80 M3 would time approximately 1:58.10 or about 3 seconds faster than the m340xi.

Hockenheim Short (HmS)
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F80 M3 - 1:13.10
Mercedes-Benz AMG GT S - 1:10.40


Hockenheim GP (HmGP)
---------------------------
G20 m340xi - 2:01.10
Hypothetical F80 M3 time: 1:58.10
Mercedes-Benz AMG GT S - 1:55.40

Discussion

3 second difference between F80 M3 and m340xi. This bodes really well for the m340xi as there is room for tuning and modification that could put it far above the F80 M3.

[23109VC]

Originally Posted by AD18

I'd be interested in seeing how that compares to the F80/82, with the amount people seem to be comparing them these days for their 0-60 and straight line performance.

Agreed! Well they aren't really the same kind of car the new M3 40 I is close enough in straight line performance to the F 80 but I think a lot of people in the market for a car right now could be on the fence between the two cars.

When you look at the pricing on a brand new M340i it's in a similar range as a CPO F80 M3. Different cars for sure but not so different that they don't potentially appeal to the same buyer. the performance of the M340i in a straight line is close enough to an F80 M3 they people see them as rivals - but I would think they once you get them both on a track the F80 will display its superiority - I would think the difference in lap times would be fairly significant.

[535i MSport]

Originally Posted by kamendex

SPECULATING F80 M3 time
(sources: https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/hockenheim-gp & https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/hockenheim-short)

We can use Hockheim short track as a comparison to guess how the m340xi compares to the F80 M3 on the Hockenheim GP track. Using the Mercedes AMG GT as a benchmark we can see that the F80 M3 is ~2.7 seconds slower than the AMG GT on the Hockenheim short. On the Hockenheim GP we can see that the m340 is ~5.7 seconds slower than the AMG GT.

Furthermore, we can see that there was a 45 second difference between the Hockenheim GP and Short time for the AMG GT. So using these as a benchmark, we can speculate that an F80 M3 would time approximately 1:58.10 or about 3 seconds faster than the m340xi.

Hockenheim Short (HmS)
---------------------------
F80 M3 - 1:13.10
Mercedes-Benz AMG GT S - 1:10.40


Hockenheim GP (HmGP)
---------------------------
G20 m340xi - 2:01.10
Hypothetical F80 M3 time: 1:58.10
Mercedes-Benz AMG GT S - 1:55.40

Discussion

3 second difference between F80 M3 and m340xi. This bodes really well for the m340xi as there is room for tuning and modification that could put it far above the F80 M3.

Great post with extrapolation of data, all good until you mentioned tuning. Let's talk Both stock or Both tuned. Otherwise it will be like the "my remapped 335i can beat an M3 (E92)" type post🤣

[535i MSport]

Originally Posted by 23109VC

Agreed! Well they aren't really the same kind of car the new M3 40 I is close enough in straight line performance to the F 80 but I think a lot of people in the market for a car right now could be on the fence between the two cars.

When you look at the pricing on a brand new M340i it's in a similar range as a CPO F80 M3. Different cars for sure but not so different that they don't potentially appeal to the same buyer. the performance of the M340i in a straight line is close enough to an F80 M3 they people see them as rivals - but I would think they once you get them both on a track the F80 will display its superiority - I would think the difference in lap times would be fairly significant.

Having driven both, the M340i is a great car but lacks the excitement of driving an M3. They are like comparing bread and cake, or shoes and sneakers - meant for different things.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by 535i MSport

Great post with extrapolation of data, all good until you mentioned tuning. Let's talk Both stock or Both tuned. Otherwise it will be like the "my remapped 335i can beat an M3 (E92)" type post🤣

That and the M3 and M4 CS are significantly faster on the track than even the Comp. then there is the driver!

[jmg]

Originally Posted by 535i MSport

Having driven both, the M340i is a great car but lacks the excitement of driving an M3. They are like comparing bread and cake, or shoes and sneakers - meant for different things.

Ditto. Drove the M340i at the UDE one weekend, then drove my M3 CS home and at the track the next weekend. Significant night and day difference.

One thing that most people forget: repeatability. A hot lap is one thing, but when doing 20 minute sessions, 10 laps at a time, the street oriented car will see noticeable decreases in performance threshold as engine, oil, brake, transmission, differential etc temp increases. The M cars have a lot of engineering built in for cooling that a street 3 series does not.

[Lady Jane]

Originally Posted by jmg

The M cars have a lot of engineering built in for cooling that a street 3 series does not.

Mine was ordered with the enhanced track and extended M package that includes bigger front brakes and extra cooling for engine, transmission and brakes. Is that what you're referring to?

[jmg]

Originally Posted by Lady Jane

Mine was ordered with the enhanced track and extended M package that includes bigger front brakes and extra cooling for engine, transmission and brakes. Is that what you're referring to?

I had the track handling package on my old 340i. That came with more radiators (2 I believe) which called for the fog lamp delete. That's much closer but there are so many other things like build material, heat sinks, and even airflow engineered into the car that the M cars come with stock.

[xlover]

Originally Posted by 535i MSport

Yes you are correct. Why we don't get to choose, I don't know.

In The USA there is a "cooling and high performance tire package" which includes additional cooling elements, slightly larger front rotors, anddddd PS4S. Those options translate to most of the western markets tho obviously grouping structure changes

Also I believe the USA is still the only market with RWD M340 option too

[Sergeant Skinner]

Originally Posted by xlover

In The USA there is a "cooling and high performance tire package" which includes additional cooling elements, slightly larger front rotors, anddddd PS4S. Those options translate to most of the western markets tho obviously grouping structure changes

Also I believe the USA is still the only market with RWD M340 option too

Yeah we have something called the M Technology package which includes everything you mentioned except the tyres, which are standard.

The irony is that Australia has never had XDrive sedans offered (apart from the M5 and now M340i) due to us not having such strong winter weather. You'd think they'd bring the RWD M340i here too. Not that I'd want that, I'm loving how point and shoot my AWD M340i is!

[Fitzy4GC]

Originally Posted by PBJ

I love how they've got their phone sitting in the wireless charging slot throughout the lap

Aren't those the OEM tyres?

Only on certain option packages. My M340 came with Bridgestone Touranza's. I had to buy Pilot Sports.

[kamendex]

Originally Posted by 535i MSport

Great post with extrapolation of data, all good until you mentioned tuning. Let's talk Both stock or Both tuned. Otherwise it will be like the "my remapped 335i can beat an M3 (E92)" type post<span class="emoji-outer emoji-sizer"><span class="emoji-inner" style="background: url(chrome-extension://immhpnclomdloikkpcefncmfgjbkojmh/emoji-data/sheet_apple_32.png);background-position:75.96944770857814% 77.96709753231492%;background-size:5418.75% 5418.75%" data-codepoints="1f923"></span></span>

For me its not really a pissing contest, its a matter of fact. The B58 is an unusually reliable engine which can handle (so far) HP as high as 750 (this is the record for the Supra right now).

A simple mod can turn the m340 into a beast beyond the F80 and its S55.

[535i MSport]

Originally Posted by kamendex

For me its not really a pissing contest, its a matter of fact. The B58 is an unusually reliable engine which can handle (so far) HP as high as 750 (this is the record for the Supra right now).

A simple mod can turn the m340 into a beast beyond the F80 and its S55.

I don't doubt it, but that is just the engine. What about suspension, brakes etc? And of course if you run that amount of power, how will the rest of the drive train hold up?

Besides, there's something cool about a carbon fibre prop shaft😉