[RCtennis3811]

As a millennial city dweller, I actually don't mind the range on this. For me, it'd be enough for driving in the city every day. And since every apartment building here has electric charging, I could charge every day overnight. Weekend r trips would also be easy since it takes gas; a quick fill up and I'd be off. Frankly, it's a great compromise for me.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

My question on these PHEVs is always what happens if the owner never charges it? Does the owners manual say you'll cause some issue (like battery degradation) over the long term you didn't charge it and treated it like a normal ICE-only car? Does it just become an extra-heavy ICE-powered car?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

I'm just stating a fact.

It's surely your opinion. Whether or not it's fact is debatable.


....that is, unless you have a seat at the BMW round table or you're an empath that reads minds.

[hans007]

Originally Posted by Dog Face Pony Soldier

My question on these PHEVs is always what happens if the owner never charges it? Does the owners manual say you'll cause some issue (like battery degradation) over the long term you didn't charge it and treated it like a normal ICE-only car? Does it just become an extra-heavy ICE-powered car?

A lot of europeans seem to do that because of the tax benefits. It seems like it just turns into a normal hybrid with an extra 11kw or so of battery that never gets charged

[mbanck]

Originally Posted by phantom7835

Exactly

Why even call it E when you can barely get out of town

Maybe your town is too big?

[JustChris]

People criticising this cars range are missing the point of this car.

It's not an EV.

It's a PHEV.

It looks to give a user the best of both worlds. Many users successfully rarely fill this model with fuel unless they have long commutes. However on those longer journeys it gives you zero range anxiety. It's design is the stepping stone into full EV.

[sq86]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Why? You're assuming that the German's were trying to compete with Tesla using their current offerings.

They can't which is why they don't.

If they had the tech to do it they might offer the hint of something similar but they're already 5-10 years behind compared to other EV companies. They're still perfecting it after multiple years of working on it. I'm not hopeful in their ability to catch up.

[sq86]

This is pretty good and offers great flexibility. I just don't like the added weight since it wrecks the handling. I'm too critical of this compared to something like the gas variants. The MPG savings and initial cost isn't worth the performance loss and lower power.

[Sooty]

It's a plug in hybrid not a full electric and makes perfect sense for current UK infrastructure at least.

[mofomat]

Originally Posted by phantom7835

Exactly

Why even call it E when you can barely get out of town

Because some people don't need to get out of town very often, so this allows them to use electric 95% of the time, but then have an ICE when they need it.

People talk about PHEV having a big ICE to lug around, but what about an all-electric car lugging around VERY heavy batteries that they don't need 95% of the time?

As always, there are many individual needs, of which the 330e satisfies some.

[Mazman]

Just as reference the average driver in Europe drives 50km per day hence why most current hybrids are at that range.

My MPG was at 140+mpg (driving at given speed limits) on my daily commute(50km total) since I got it.

Now that I have been hooning it mainly 402m runs I am at 30mpg. I would say it's a nice compromise for the ones who drive mainly in the city or suburban areas.

But if you drive fast then it's better to get a full EV then you don't have to consider the range (of course depending on how long your daily commute is)

[J-RO]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I agree that EV's are niche in general. My statement was in reference to how the forum tends to view things in general. If they don't like it, they assume nobody likes it.

And then there are people who like something and think that everyone likes it.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

It's surely your opinion. Whether or not it's fact is debatable.


....that is, unless you have a seat at the BMW round table or you're an empath that reads minds.

Dude, its a fact the Tesla Model 3 is out selling all EV's in Germany.

I don't have to read any minds, I just read the news ‼️

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by JustChris

People criticising this cars range are missing the point of this car.

It's not an EV.

It's a PHEV.

It looks to give a user the best of both worlds. Many users successfully rarely fill this model with fuel unless they have long commutes. However on those longer journeys it gives you zero range anxiety. It's design is the stepping stone into full EV.

Agreed... It's a great stepping stone, but it has ridiculous range for a PHEV.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Agreed... It's a great stepping stone, but it has ridiculous range for a PHEV.

This really is a matter of perspective. Someone like yourself is relating 23 miles of range to EVs with hundreds of miles of range, sees this range as ridiculously paltry. Someone else that only can afford 1 car, and normally drives maybe 10 miles a day, but makes a few long trips a year, might see this as ideal solution. Different strokes. Everything doesn't have to fill the same prescription.

[M3ditate]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Agreed... It's a great stepping stone, but it has ridiculous range for a PHEV.

What are the other plug in hybrids that have better all electric range from a luxury manufacturer?

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by M3ditate

What are the other plug in hybrids that have better all electric range from a luxury manufacturer?

Agree, while it may not be a lot of range, people are completely missing the point. The only other lux sedan close is the Volvo S60 T8. Even a $100k Panamera or Cayenne are rated for 13 miles. This is perfect for driving to and from work, or around town/within the city, yet still having enough range to do a trip to another state.

I personally think PHEV's are better suited to SUV's, the new X5 45e seems like it will be a better buy in electric form, as it offers many benefits over the 40i trim. A 330e vs 30i however doesn't really offer as many benefits, and the 30i has already been able to reach 40+mpg by some, making it already pretty efficient.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by M3ditate

What are the other plug in hybrids that have better all electric range from a luxury manufacturer?

Sadly not much besides Mercedes. Regardless it's still quite pathetic.

The complexity of BMW's hybrid system and long term maintenance is not idea.

Might as well make it an EV with a REx like the i3 until they get a proper battery supplier.

[Flamingi]

You guys keep forgetting, that the US isn't the only country on the earth. The target group for BMW's PHEVs are Europeans, which makes sense, because they sell over 50% of their PHEVs there. Since it's a fully developed car, they just throw it on the US market anyway and every sold car is a bonus.

In Europe 50km of range is more than enough, distances are far shorter in general. Even if you live in a major city, like BMW's HQ Munich, 50km is enough to get to work and back on a single charge, even if you live on the other side of the city. I'm driving an X5 PHEV and filled it up twice since I got it a couple months back, saving hundreds (~€500) in tax as well as gas (can charge for free at work) per month!

[213e90n51]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Absolutely pathetic.

Bring out the 100% Electric 3er, this waiting is completely ridiculous.

Id only get it if it was a manual gearbox and electric. If it can simulate gear changes with a clutch and the electric motor powering up more after every gear shift then maybe ill get it. Also it should go more eco if i short shift it as well as use up the battery when i stay in gear longer and press the throttle more.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by 213e90n51

Id only get it if it was a manual gearbox and electric. If it can simulate gear changes with a clutch and the electric motor powering up more after every gear shift then maybe ill get it. Also it should go more eco if i short shift it as well as use up the battery when i stay in gear longer and press the throttle more.

It will go from 0 mph to top speed using 1 gear.

Completely seamless power delivery.

And a reduction gear.

That's it.

[213e90n51]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

It will go from 0 mph to top speed using 1 gear.

Completely seamless power delivery.

And a reduction gear.

That's it.

You see thats not engaging enough after driving some manual transmission cars i want a electric car that will allow me to shift like 123456 with a H pattern gearbox even if it wont need it. It just adds to the fun of the bmw. It doesnt even need a transmission tunnel. Just a clutch pedal that acts like a module to activate the gear changes in a electric H pattern gearbox in the center console. The electric motor will be synced with it and hve power accordingly to it. Bmw will get more sales like this for people who want manual like le.