[jmg]

Originally Posted by john!smith

yes, it is not a "real" m car. but it is a very sophosticated engine. up to date in every way.
the m340i will not beat the upcomming m3 or m4! no doubt.

but it kills the m3 e46, e90 and m2. further... the m340i is very close to the m2c, a little better driving skills behind the steering wheel and the f80 m3 driver will be struggeling, too.

my m340i with mhd stage 2 can beat every stock f80. it can also keep up with f80's on stage 1.


so... it doesnt matter if my car is a real m. dont give a sh about badges. just driving 😂

It doesn't beat it at a track with turns which is a better metric for overall performance. Drag racing is one of the smaller indications of performance.

[2011ninja]

Originally Posted by DG20

So many butthurt F8x owners here

This

[535i MSport]

Originally Posted by ANP202

So many dummies think m340 is a real M car

The M340i is a great car, but take a roundabout fast in it and then do the same manoeuvre in an M3 comp and you will see the difference.

I have done this and rather than preach, would encourage the protagonists to do likewise, rather than just drag strip stuff.

[e92ben]

Originally Posted by Ghostriderf80

Ya but even though it's not, its faster than the M2 (which is not a real M car), probably M3 and M4 off the line.

LOL

You saying the m2 isn't a real m car?

[Mspired]

So an awd car beat a rwd car in the 1/4? Lol. Maybe If the 340 was rwd also I'd be impressed. 107 mph trap isn't brag worthy. Doesn't the e46 M3 trap that also.

[mcjohnsonsg]

Originally Posted by Mspired

So an awd car beat a rwd car in the 1/4? Lol. Maybe If the 340 was rwd also I'd be impressed. 107 mph trap isn't brag worthy. Doesn't the e46 M3 trap that also.

If you go back to the first post you will see that this drag was done at 9800ft, which explains the slower trap speeds for both cars compared with their normal performance.

[dezzracer]

Originally Posted by Drj161

Where's our resident f8x hater? This post must be making him wet.

He got his plug in for his tuner and no brand down pipes and flew away like a little bird.

[Germanauto]

Impressive.

I wish we could get the M2's visceral driving experience combined with the 3-series' practicality and more luxurious interior appointments. Unfortunately the last 3-series to combine sportiness and luxury so seamlessly was the E90.

Hopefully the next M3/4 combines these attributes well, but it will certainly be ugly.

[john!smith]

that is so boring dudes...

people talking about race track! drive the m340i against this and that on a track! how many of you go to the racetrack and drive hard on a cirquit? come on! i was never on a race track... the nurburgring is next door... but i am not a racer! i own this car for the roads. it is my daily. by the way... it is a better daily than a m3 or m4! thats a fact. so you can take your m car to the track but when we meet on the road... man, dont get sad then

[Rod 69]

Originally Posted by daap1193

You have your opinion I respect it, you don´t want to hear a different opinion so theres no much room for debate there. For the DPs, what I know is that they are some regular DPs with no brand on them made for my tunners in the USA, Im not sure why it gave the car that power increase, don´t think is the DPs desing they just look like regular DPs from other brands, but its looks like u know more so I just attached some pics maybe I´m wrong. What I think, my car is a EU spec with no OPFs, thats what they send to my country, so BMW cranks UP the boost by 0.2 bar to compensate, but if theres no OPFs any improvement in the exhaust will give better results, but im just speculating. If you want to try them you can contact big boost turbo LLC, is the USA brand owned by my tunner, they have try them on two M2C here and the results were exactly the same.
I just attached some other pics so u can check the dyno numers by yourself.

If it is possible I would like to speak with you after I read your posit. I am a current 1M owner and already made the deposit for a Sunset Orange already at Port of Sant Marta. Please let me know your email or cel phone, my email rodrigjdangond@yahoo.com

[535i MSport]

Originally Posted by john!smith

that is so boring dudes...

people talking about race track! drive the m340i against this and that on a track! how many of you go to the racetrack and drive hard on a cirquit? come on! i was never on a race track... the nurburgring is next door... but i am not a racer! i own this car for the roads. it is my daily. by the way... it is a better daily than a m3 or m4! thats a fact. so you can take your m car to the track but when we meet on the road... man, dont get sad then

🖕

[ANP202]

Originally Posted by john!smith

that is so boring dudes...

people talking about race track! drive the m340i against this and that on a track! how many of you go to the racetrack and drive hard on a cirquit? come on! i was never on a race track... the nurburgring is next door... but i am not a racer! i own this car for the roads. it is my daily. by the way... it is a better daily than a m3 or m4! thats a fact. so you can take your m car to the track but when we meet on the road... man, dont get sad then

You’re boring, dude. A lot of us track our M cars, that’s why we buy them. If I wanted a better daily driver I’d buy a 5 series, not entry level 3 lol. Btw F8x would eat your m340 on the road and the track.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by john!smith

that is so boring dudes...

people talking about race track! drive the m340i against this and that on a track! how many of you go to the racetrack and drive hard on a cirquit? come on! i was never on a race track... the nurburgring is next door... but i am not a racer! i own this car for the roads. it is my daily. by the way... it is a better daily than a m3 or m4! thats a fact. so you can take your m car to the track but when we meet on the road... man, dont get sad then

Boring is racing from streetlight to streetlight. Plenty of us got M cars to track. Plenty of us have a separate daily driver and weekend/track car. The M340i makes a very good all round car if you don't want to track. It's fun and the AWD and gear ratios are suited for street driving. However, if we meet on the road:

1) I won't be in my M car, I'll be in my daily driver
2) Most streetlight racing is for the ego starved
3) Streetlight racing is boring
4) Streetlight racing doesn't take as much skill
5) Streetlight racing puts other people in danger for your ego
6) You won't win in anything but from a standstill because your AWD advantage is gone and you will lose to more power and torque.
7) On a turn, the 4000lb M340i will lose. It has 0.96g lateral grip, while the M2C has 0.99g, and my M3 CS has 1.09g.

I've taken my M as to work before, it does just fine as a daily. Maybe it doesn't do as well as an M340i because it doesn't have... what? adaptive cruise and sofer seats? Okay, the M car has a few compromises for street driving, with the trade-off being track performance. The M340i does a little better in the street (Softer seats, more "features"?) but compromises on the track (slower in the corners, slower from a roll, heavier, less heat management). I'm not sure why we keep having to measure dicks based on 0-60 times on public roads where no one is commuting competitively and you will get more eye-rolls than congratulations.

[john!smith]

it is not alowed to race from streetlight to streetlight. that makes no sense or fun at all...

but you know what? we have something that's called Autobahn. i can do 300+ kph (over 190mph) legally, we also have twisty landroads where 100kph are allowed.

so you can have a lot of fun with the m340i without a racetrack here in Germany! 480PS and 680NM dónt feel like entry level

[jmg]

Originally Posted by john!smith

it is not alowed to race from streetlight to streetlight. that makes no sense or fun at all...

but you know what? we have something that's called Autobahn. i can do 300+ kph (over 190mph) legally, we also have twisty landroads where 100kph are allowed.

so you can have a lot of fun with the m340i without a racetrack here in Germany! 480PS and 680NM dónt feel like entry level

Twisty landroads are about 10% the intensity of a circuit where tenths of a second are earned in guts, nerve and sweat.

There's almost always one at every track day or HPDE–the guy/gal who's confident that their street and canyon racing skills will lead to record breaking lap times their first day out. They think they're going to lead the beginner heats and drift through corners looking like Vin Diesel. After that first heat they come back looking real different, wide eyes, nerves still trembling, with a newfound source of humility. God had spoken to them and he said: "Shhhhhhhh"

[daap1193]

Looks like my post made some impact in Fx platform fans, for the people saying S55 is better, just let me say it sounds like crap and crank hub fails, some people say M2C is a track toy not to be compare in drag race ever, but brakes fade even in street use and it's too heavy almost 150 kilos more than its rivals in the class. Finally some just post shit without real data to back its post so certainly I made some asses sore really bad. It's a good M car, for sure, can it compare to the best M cars ever made, not in my personal opinion but everybody has different toughs

Cheers

[jmg]

Originally Posted by daap1193

Looks like my post made some impact in Fx platform fans, for the people saying S55 is better, just let me say it sounds like crap and crank hub fails,

The B58 is a good engine, no doubt, in its current configuration it delivers torque at 750 rpm sooner and power 230 rpm sooner than the S55 tuned in the M2C. The M2C, however, still provides more power and more torque. Let logic rule, the M340i wins the 1/4 largely because of the AWD and gearing, although the low RPM delivery certainly helped, even if you managed to equip an M2C with the B58, it would still lose simply because of drivetrain and gearing. The B58 will not magically make a car faster with less power and less torque, that's just fanboying.

It is too early to tell what the long term issues will be with the B58, but in general BMW's engines have been progressing with reliability. VANOS Solenoid issues and the location of the timing chain will make for not a pain-free maintenance visit when the miles add up.

Originally Posted by daap1193

some people say M2C is a track toy not to be compare in drag race ever, but brakes fade even in street use and it's too heavy almost 150 kilos more than its rivals in the class.

The M2C is the same weight as the F8X, and has less power and torque but a shorter wheelbase for a different handing experience which some people find more enjoyable. Brake fade is an issue with the M2C and M3/4 because in the end these are relatively heavy cars compared to the 911 and there is more of a compromise to keep non-track customers happy with mid temp street pad performance. Nothing a pad swap can't fix, which M division accounted for–you do not have to remove the calipers to swap pads on the M2/3/4. It can literally be done in minutes.

If you think the M2 experiences brake fade, you have a very ugly wake-up call with the M340, which weights 4000 lbs., much more than the M2/3/4

Originally Posted by daap1193

Finally some just post shit without real data to back its post so certainly I made some asses sore really bad.

There is nothing wrong with analyzing the results to see how and why a car with less power and torque was faster in the standing 1/4. We did this with the M240 vs M2 as well. It prevents those who are uninformed to act in ignorance when they start claiming what cars are "faster" and "better" than the others.

[ANP202]

Originally Posted by daap1193

Looks like my post made some impact in Fx platform fans, for the people saying S55 is better, just let me say it sounds like crap and crank hub fails, some people say M2C is a track toy not to be compare in drag race ever, but brakes fade even in street use and it's too heavy almost 150 kilos more than its rivals in the class. Finally some just post shit without real data to back its post so certainly I made some asses sore really bad. It's a good M car, for sure, can it compare to the best M cars ever made, not in my personal opinion but everybody has different toughs

Cheers

Lol how can you even type that with straight face? You’re mentioning M2 weight while M340 weighs close to 4000lbs , 500lbs for two extra doors

Also WHAT rivals to M2? Please enlighten us? What other two door coupe has twin turbo 6 with RWD, 400HP, track ready everything (except brake pads) AND can seat 4? While M340 has many competitors (C43, S4, Stinger (lol), whatever Infiniti/Acura/Lexus/Cadillac build these days) and it doesn’t really excel over its rivals in anything except it can speed through quarter mile at, wait for it, 107MPH!!! I swear that must be the same as E92 335is. GTFO

And yes the M2 is a good M car and no, M340 is not an M car at all

[daap1193]

Finally some sense thank you for your coment, after all, you're right B58 timing chain is located in the back of the towards the firewall will make any engine repair a nightmare. You said it is a new engine with but it started production in 2015 and s55 in 2014 so its no a noticeable difference if we wait for problems to emerge.

I'm not saying s55 engine is bad in a performance perspective it is almost 40 whp more than b58 so your right it's a more powerful package.

As an owner I just tried to highlight the drawbacks of this engine most of the pros are already cover on YouTube videos and reviews most of which never tell you the cons.

Now, I'm comparing both cars not just to show which one is faster end of the story. As you can see both have the same mods and currently I'm doing some more upgrades for future videos, stock and if both were RWD the m2c will destroy the m340 that's a fact. In the track m2c is a more capable machine and due to oil pan design the b58 engine it's no safe in track due to oil starvation. The purpose is to show how new Bmw are getting better even in Mperformance models.

Finally every problem of the M2C has a solution you can buy an equal length exhaust 3k, crank hub fix 1k plus 2k in labor, carbon fiber parts and wheels to reduce weight for a lot of money, and when consumables are done pads and better tires can be upgraded wich paired with better suspension will make a track monster, but my point is if you get a M2C and you need to spend 3K just to make it reliable and then you can start to modify when in a B58 powered car with 3k you can get Dps tune and turbos so that is what's does make sense to me
I want hear some opinion can I ask you which engine will you chose to modify? as I can read you know something about this topic Jmg

[daap1193]

Originally Posted by ANP202

Lol how can you even type that with straight face? You’re mentioning M2 weight while M340 weighs close to 4000lbs , 500lbs for two extra doors

Also WHAT rivals to M2? Please enlighten us? What other two door coupe has twin turbo 6 with RWD, 400HP, track ready everything (except brake pads) AND can seat 4? While M340 has many competitors (C43, S4, Stinger (lol), whatever Infiniti/Acura/Lexus/Cadillac build these days) and it doesn’t really excel over its rivals in anything except it can speed through quarter mile at, wait for it, 107MPH!!! I swear that must be the same as E92 335is. GTFO

And yes the M2 is a good M car and no, M340 is not an M car at all

Originally Posted by ANP202

Lol how can you even type that with straight face? You're mentioning M2 weight while M340 weighs close to 4000lbs , 500lbs for two extra doors

Also WHAT rivals to M2? Please enlighten us? What other two door coupe has twin turbo 6 with RWD, 400HP, track ready everything (except brake pads) AND can seat 4? While M340 has many competitors (C43, S4, Stinger (lol), whatever Infiniti/Acura/Lexus/Cadillac build these days) and it doesn't really excel over its rivals in anything except it can speed through quarter mile at, wait for it, 107MPH!!! I swear that must be the same as E92 335is. GTFO

And yes the M2 is a good M car and no, M340 is not an M car at all

You made a point here even with 500 pounds extra the m340 manage to beat the M2C

[Poiseuille]

interesting thread, especially so since my subscription to Hot Rod Magazine lapsed some decades ago.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by daap1193

Finally every problem of the M2C has a solution you can buy an equal length exhaust 3k, crank hub fix 1k plus 2k in labor, carbon fiber parts and wheels to reduce weight for a lot of money, and when consumables are done pads and better tires can be upgraded wich paired with better suspension will make a track monster, but my point is if you get a M2C and you need to spend 3K just to make it reliable and then you can start to modify when in a B58 powered car with 3k you can get Dps tune and turbos so that is what's does make sense to me
I want hear some opinion can I ask you which engine will you chose to modify? as I can read you know something about this topic Jmg

If the car itself was the same, ie a B58 equipped M2C vs a S55 equipped M2C, with the same cooling, suspension, brakes etc, I'd choose the S55 simply because it makes more power and torque.

However, if it were an S58, which is currently in the X3M, of course I would choose an S58 equipped M car with all that it entails: cooling, suspension, brakes, lightening etc. for the same reasons: more power and torque, and in this case sooner delivery in the RPM band.

The M340i is great for a street car: modern interior, versatile X-Drive for maximum grip, and comfort options. However, even if the M340i was equipped with a more powerful S58 I would rather get the S55 equipped M2C simply because it's lighter. I cannot express how much more enjoyable and important a better handling car is than a car that drags well. Nothing to me about racing is more boring than the drag race. Of course that's subjective and if street racers enjoy it, then enjoy it in good health, the M340i will do just fine. It's just doesn't do what I want in a fun weekend car.