[BDO]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Tacit approval?!? It's a damn car forum dude. Get off of your soapbox. Everything stated here doesn't need to be so politically charged nor politically corrected. You are an example of the problem.

Wearing masks in a middle of a pandemic is not a political issue, it's a public health issue. Calling people wearing masks "stupid" needs to be condemned. If doing that is a "problem", I'll gladly be an example of it.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by BDO

Wearing masks in a middle of a pandemic is not a political issue, it's a public health issue. Calling people wearing masks "stupid" needs to be condemned. If doing that is a "problem", I'll gladly be an example of it.

Using racial epithets was not a requirement and it sullied your position. It was more uncalled for than anything he stated.

Most of the "masks" worn by virtue signalers do nothing for stopping COVID transmission. It was/is all looks, no substance. I'm not impressed by people wearing masks for appearances. An N95 is one thing, but a piece of porous cloth strewn across your face or a 'Walmart special' does nothing.

[BDO]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

An N95 is one thing, but a piece of porous cloth strewn across your face or a 'Walmart special' does nothing.

WHO and the medical community disagree. Whether you're impressed by it or not is irrelevant.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by BDO

WHO and the medical community disagree. Whether you're impressed by it or not is irrelevant.

Lol! Nearly every medical professional and/or organization recognizes that cloth masks don't really help.


https://www.infectioncontroltoday.co...ainst-covid-19


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.liv...us-spread.html

...and the WHO doesn't know what its position is. One minute they discourage wearing masks and the next minute they change positions. The WHO recommends N95's, not bargain basement masks or homemade specials. The CDC recommended wearing cloth masks to "avoid infecting others," but stated it won't keep the wearer from getting infected. So basically.....useless. The statement is contradictory. Cloth masks DO NOT stop the transmission of fine particles from coughs, sneezes, etc. The position changes depending on the political position of the day. They don't know their asses from their feet and the agenda is questionable.

If you're going to come to the table with an argument Mr. Citizen, and tout science as your backing, you should, at the very least, know the science.

[BDO]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Lol! Nearly every medical professional and/or organization recognizes that cloth masks don't really help.


https://www.infectioncontroltoday.co...ainst-covid-19

Incorrect. The site that you linked (credibility of which is questionable), is regurgitating info from April, when there was speculation around how effective cloth face masks are.

Current scientific consensus, WHO recommendations, and legislation by an overwhelming majority of the governments are all in favour of wearing face masks both for controlling the spread as well as preventing infection.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by BDO

Incorrect. The site that you linked (credibility of which is questionable), is regurgitating info from April, when there was speculation around how effective cloth face masks are.

Current scientific consensus, WHO recommendations, and legislation by an overwhelming majority of the governments are all in favour of wearing face masks both for controlling the spread as well as preventing infection.

Read my edit.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by BDO

Incorrect. The site that you linked (credibility of which is questionable), is regurgitating info from April, when there was speculation around how effective cloth face masks are.

Current scientific consensus, WHO recommendations, and legislation by an overwhelming majority of the governments are all in favour of wearing face masks both for controlling the spread as well as preventing infection.

Optics are simply that......optics!

Cloth masks were the only alternative due to a shortage of N95's, but the absence of a proven preventative measure doesn't make the alternative better. In addition, you could still catch COVID through the membranes in your eyes, so are masks really doing what people think they are doing?!?!

[paliknight]

Originally Posted by Ragged Edge

The USA has the greatest number of cases PER CAPITA, and PERCENTAGE OF THOSE TESTED.... NOT because the USA is testing a lot.
To confirm this, just look at hospital admissions... people are being turned away at hospitals in Texas because they have reached capacity.

I'm sorry this awesome thread got hijacked. I just couldn't leave the lies to hang in the air without a response.

.... and back to the awesome thread!

These reviewers have given a great comparison. The vid is entertaining and well worth seeing. I'm sub'd, as I would like to see what they do to the G8X when they get their hands on it!

You're assuming two things:

1- ALL other countries (ehhem, China) are both accurate and transparent with their testing, and;

2- ALL other countries can record cases and statistics as accurately or transparently as the rest of the world.

For example, I was in Africa during COVID, I promise you half the continent could have it and they would have NO clue. Also, China is undoubtedly being deceptive with its numbers.

On topic though, interested in seeing the gains from these mods.

[paliknight]

Originally Posted by BDO

How? Look to the beginning of the thread, and you'll see an ignoramus blathering about how it's "good" to "see a video without masks". That's how.

Responsible people then called him out on the utter stupidity of that statement, as they should. I hope that everyone keeps doing that, regarding all issues, and we stop the implicit acceptance by hiding behind "it's a car forum".

I definitely don't want to be a part of any forum, car or otherwise, where ignorant rednecks can slip in remarks like that unchecked, and have other rednecks defend them by piling onto others who responsibly call out such behaviour.

You do understand that term is racist, right?

So you're a presumptuous, stereotyping racist now.

[stefan]

Originally Posted by TorontoGambler

Yes disease spread shaming, racism shaming, sexist shaming... all things now. Kinda should have been a thing forever but better late than never. You might want to join the party.

"couldn't afford a real M shaming"

j/k

Also; mods. Can we just outright ban coronavirus/race baiting/social justice attacks/etc discussion at least from the main forums. Gonna go out on a limb here and assume most of us come on here to get away from that shit and talk about cars.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I guess mask-shaming is the new thing now.

It is rather unfortunate you are a LEO. You set a bad example.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Lol! Nearly every medical professional and/or organization recognizes that cloth masks don't really help.


https://www.infectioncontroltoday.co...ainst-covid-19


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.liv...us-spread.html

...and the WHO doesn't know what its position is. One minute they discourage wearing masks and the next minute they change positions. The WHO recommends N95's, not bargain basement masks or homemade specials. The CDC recommended wearing cloth masks to "avoid infecting others," but stated it won't keep the wearer from getting infected. So basically.....useless. The statement is contradictory. Cloth masks DO NOT stop the transmission of fine particles from coughs, sneezes, etc. The position changes depending on the political position of the day. They don't know their asses from their feet and the agenda is questionable.

If you're going to come to the table with an argument Mr. Citizen, and tout science as your backing, you should, at the very least, know the science.

Wrong. Take your anti-mask bullshit out of this forum anyway. Go back to the Politics subforum where you guys can thread-crap there.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by chris719

It is rather unfortunate you are a LEO. You set a bad example.

I do not care what you think.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by BDO

Incorrect. The site that you linked (credibility of which is questionable), is regurgitating info from April, when there was speculation around how effective cloth face masks are.

Current scientific consensus, WHO recommendations, and legislation by an overwhelming majority of the governments are all in favour of wearing face masks both for controlling the spread as well as preventing infection.

Don't bother. He loves to show how big and strong of a man he is by crapping up an M340i thread with anti-mask stuff.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by BDO

How? Look to the beginning of the thread, and you'll see an ignoramus blathering about how it's "good" to "see a video without masks". That's how.

Responsible people then called him out on the utter stupidity of that statement, as they should. I hope that everyone keeps doing that, regarding all issues, and we stop the implicit acceptance by hiding behind "it's a car forum".

I definitely don't want to be a part of any forum, car or otherwise, where ignorant rednecks can slip in remarks like that unchecked, and have other rednecks defend them by piling onto others who responsibly call out such behaviour.

The moderators have a real problem here. We keep having these nuts pop out complaining about masks, SJWs, "virtue signaling", etc. in car threads. No one cares about their agenda. They already have their own echo chamber subforum and it would be nice if they would stop polluting regular car threads.

You are completely correct to have called out people who are derailing threads with misinformation damaging to public health.

[raj914]

So is this like a piggyback? Or do you plug the module into your OBD port, and it flashes it? Do you also have to leave it plugged in? Also, does it work if your DME is locked?

[chris719]

Originally Posted by raj914

So is this like a piggyback? Or do you plug the module into your OBD port, and it flashes it? Do you also have to leave it plugged in? Also, does it work if your DME is locked?

All RaceChip products are piggyback as far as I am aware.

[raj914]

So based upon anyone's personal experience, racechip or jb4? It's the only two options I'm left with since my DME is locked.

[cbertels]

I hope all these jerk-off mask comments gets deleted so we can get back to the important stuff. Telling g20 owners they don't have a real M car and g20 owners telling f80 owners their cars are slow.

[trey100]

Originally Posted by BDO

How? Look to the beginning of the thread, and you'll see an ignoramus blathering about how it's "good" to "see a video without masks". That's how.

Responsible people then called him out on the utter stupidity of that statement, as they should. I hope that everyone keeps doing that, regarding all issues, and we stop the implicit acceptance by hiding behind "it's a car forum".

I definitely don't want to be a part of any forum, car or otherwise, where ignorant rednecks can slip in remarks like that unchecked, and have other rednecks defend them by piling onto others who responsibly call out such behaviour.

Ahh, rednecks. Must be rednecks? I live in NY and travel through very blue and non-"redneck" Connecticut often. You see very few people wearing masks. Drive through the most liberal towns in CT and masks are a rarity.

I do wear a mask when out because I don't see any reason not to, but don't be so judgemental. There is a real hypocrisy when it comes to masks. There are plenty of non-rednecks, blue-blooded elitists, not wearing masks.

So save the fake outrage.

Edit: ....and stereotypical, racist, post.

[dezzracer]

Originally Posted by chenry

*delted my previous question and reposted this one in hopes of making more sense* :-)

Are wheel numbers available? Reason I ask - I'm curious what drive train loss is being estimated at (if it's there and I missed it...my apologies for the unnecessary question).

I watched the video (cool thank you) and if I look at their M4 HP numbers vs what has been published over the years for wheel HP it looks like about 18-20% multiplier for crank - was the same number used for the M340? And if I'm off - kindly let me know :-)

I have wheel on my car and am guessing at crank but would love to better understand what racechip considers as accurate

Thanks! And congrats!

Isn't 15% considered the average loss of most any rear wheel drive car? Assuming more for all wheel drive but do not how much for X drive.

[dezzracer]

Originally Posted by BDO

Love it how Trumpettes out themselves at every step.

How fun that this thread became political. Although I admit it was interesting reading comments and opinions about wearing masks by fellow BMW enthusiast like myself.

After 6 months of this virus being studied by the best minds in the world I've come to this conclusion: Nobody really knows sht fuk about this virus and they all got it wrong. Round and round we go where it ends nobody knows.