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      11-10-2019, 06:29 PM   #2003
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Arbitrary age grouping proves nothing. Almost all of the policies which today are strangling us were put in place by FDR/Johnson etc. I could easily argue that folks born after 64' put the pedal to the metal. These folks are now 55 years old and retiring. And if you look at the debt piled on in the last 75 years you can't pin it on one party/age group.or the other.

People these days are living better than ever before. And while you are harping about abortions.....this country would be in a very sad state if Abortions had not taken place.

Population in the U.S would be well over 1/2 Billion. And remember fetuses would in many many cases become unwanted and in many cases born to sectors of the public that would have required more government support. Something you rail against.

Funny you want gov out of our lives but controlling our family planning.

One of my best friends in College died in an abortion facility. Not uncommon.
Life, Liberty, and pursuit of happiness

Can't have the other two if your deny the first. As for your over population arguement that falla flat on it face fpr the simple fact that all the western world is importing foreign population which require greater state investment in an attempt to assimilate them to make up for the mass murder of citizens who wouldn't need education and services to learn the native dialect, laws, and culture. Yes you can pass the other flaw programs to the Greatest generation but the simple fact is those programs made sense at the time because it wasn't expecting young adult offing their offspring and didn't expect them not to adjust the programs as people live longer.
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Great post.
This Quote seems to hit the bullseye. When the dust settles on this attempted coup this and more will be borne out as as fact.

“Ciaramella was outed in a Medium article by the far-right figure Mike Cernovich in June 2017, claiming that the former Obama aide wanted to “sabotage” Trump. Foreign Policy wrote in 2017, “The piece described Eric Ciaramella as ‘pro-Ukraine and anti-Russia’ and alleged, with no evidence, that he was possibly responsible for high-level leaks. Cernovich wrote, “Nothing in his résumé indicates that Ciaramella will put America First. His entire life arc indicates he will sabotage Trump and leak information to the press whenever possible”

Eric Ciaramella will be uncovered as the cockroach saboteur whistleblower he is along with the other vermin.
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Great post.
This Quote seems to hit the bullseye. When the dust settles on this attempted coup this and more will be borne out as as fact.

"Ciaramella was outed in a Medium article by the far-right figure Mike Cernovich in June 2017, claiming that the former Obama aide wanted to "sabotage" Trump. Foreign Policy wrote in 2017, "The piece described Eric Ciaramella as 'pro-Ukraine and anti-Russia' and alleged, with no evidence, that he was possibly responsible for high-level leaks. Cernovich wrote, "Nothing in his résumé indicates that Ciaramella will put America First. His entire life arc indicates he will sabotage Trump and leak information to the press whenever possible"

Eric Ciaramella will be uncovered as the cockroach saboteur whistleblower he is along with the other vermin.
If it's him, it's because everything he's claimed is true? That makes him vermin?

The trumpsters didn't like "deplorable". So human scum is better? cock roach saboteurs?

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By that logic the Mueller case makes every single negative charge against the administration irrefutably wrong and without merit? One event will render a person innocent and incapable of any wrongdoing through the course of their life? That doesn't really make sense. Each case must be judged on their own. Had the Mueller case gone the other way, we wouldn't presume guilt on every other single case would we? That wouldn't be fair. Why would we then presume innocence?
Because all american citizens are presumed innocent until proven guilty.
Yes but not because the results of another case as the other post implies.
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SAD!
Sad that Democrats are beginning to be held accountable as their TDS impeachment scams are withering away now that they're being exposed to the light of day??
Wishful thinking. It's going to be a heartbreaking month for those in the Trump cult. The evidence just keeps piling up and the desperation from his supporters gets more and more manic.
Is this the Mueller investigation thread?

Sounds awfully similar don't you think?

How did that turn out for our "friends" with TDS?

Is it me or is this a one trick pony on his third trick and it just keeps failing miserably?
Except it isn't failing and more people more than ever can see The Trump administration's corruptions. If anything this proves that the checks and balances are working as intended. In case we forgot, the branches of government are supposed exist for this purpose. This is not a monarchy and even the President does not have absolute power nor be held above scrutiny as Trump would have you believe. If the conservative right-wing wackos don't like it they can leave the country.
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By that logic the Mueller case makes every single negative charge against the administration irrefutably wrong and without merit? One event will render a person innocent and incapable of any wrongdoing through the course of their life? That doesn't really make sense. Each case must be judged on their own. Had the Mueller case gone the other way, we wouldn't presume guilt on every other single case would we? That wouldn't be fair. Why would we then presume innocence?
Because the presumption of innocence is the bedrock of our legal system in it's entirety. It goes beyond all else.
We wording is wrong in that post. I should have used "assigning".

This isn't the case of a presumption of innocence. This is a case of assigning innocence based on the results of another case. We don't dismiss a speeding ticket because a previous carpool ticket was cleared.
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Sad that Democrats are beginning to be held accountable as their TDS impeachment scams are withering away now that they're being exposed to the light of day??
Wishful thinking. It's going to be a heartbreaking month for those in the Trump cult. The evidence just keeps piling up and the desperation from his supporters gets more and more manic.
Is this the Mueller investigation thread?

Sounds awfully similar don't you think?

How did that turn out for our "friends" with TDS?

Is it me or is this a one trick pony on his third trick and it just keeps failing miserably?
Except it isn't failing and more people more than ever can see The Trump administration's corruptions. If anything this proves that the checks and balances are working as intended. In case we forgot, the branches of government are supposed exist for this purpose. This is not a monarchy and even the President does not have absolute power nor be held above scrutiny as Trump would have you believe. If the conservative right-wing wackos don't like it they can leave the country.
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I don't put a lot into what Lev, Igor, or Rudy says, but it will interesting to see if there is any corroboration.


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Yes but not because the results of another case as the other post implies.
In all cases.
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In all cases.
Are we talking about the same thing? Are you implying that if I managed to get off on a speeding ticket last month, if I get another speeding ticket this month I can get it dismissed because I got the last one dismissed? My argument is that just because the Mueller case didn't end up with any implications, doesn't mean that this one won't nor that Trump is incapable of any wrongdoing.
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Yes but not because the results of another case as the other post implies.
In all cases.
LOL let's not forget that the fallout from that case isn't even over. The Mueller probe has become a shitshow because it's business is rooting through the shitshow that is this administration.
Let's also not forget this quote:

"Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my presidency. I'm fucked" - Trump

Fortunately for Trump, the probe was hindered by the White House consistently. Not only that but the administration was outright lying. So while the report generally couldn't find definitive proof, that doesn't mean that Trump is actually innocent in the eyes of truth or in the eyes of god for you religious types.

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Are we talking about the same thing? Are you implying that if I managed to get off on a speeding ticket last month, if I get another speeding ticket this month I can get it dismissed because I got the last one dismissed? My argument is that just because the Mueller case didn't end up with any implications, doesn't mean that this one won't nor that Trump is incapable of any wrongdoing.
In both cases it the duty of the accuser to prove your guilty not for you to prove yourself innocent.
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Are we talking about the same thing? Are you implying that if I managed to get off on a speeding ticket last month, if I get another speeding ticket this month I can get it dismissed because I got the last one dismissed? My argument is that just because the Mueller case didn't end up with any implications, doesn't mean that this one won't nor that Trump is incapable of any wrongdoing.
In both cases it the duty of the accuser to prove your guilty not for you to prove yourself innocent.
I agree, however there is still due process and that goes both ways. The impeachment inquiry is that process and they gathered a satisfactory amount of information to start the hearing. It seems that you are dismissing the legitimacy of the inquiry due to the fact that the Mueller Report was indeterminate of guilt.
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I agree, however there is still due process and that goes both ways. The impeachment inquiry is that process and they gathered a satisfactory amount of information to start the hearing. It seems that you are dismissing the legitimacy of the inquiry due to the fact that the Mueller Report was indeterminate of guilt.
I believe your confuse me with another member, i want the investigation to occur so more information of the dnc meddling in Ukraine can be dug up.

As for Trump, the simple fact that Zal clearly stated he never felt pressured by Trump and the fact Rudy and Trump was requesting assistance from.Ukraine prior to Biden announcing his presidential run sort of deflates the entire narrative.
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I agree, however there is still due process and that goes both ways. The impeachment inquiry is that process and they gathered a satisfactory amount of information to start the hearing. It seems that you are dismissing the legitimacy of the inquiry due to the fact that the Mueller Report was indeterminate of guilt.
The glaring error in your thinking is that you treat the Congress as if they are the same as a federal prosecutor impaneling a grand jury or even Mueller's investigation who had a mandate from the DOJ. Impeachment requires zero evidence as it is a political process, not a legal one. There is no due process. The Democrats could have gathered zero evidence (which is the case) and there is nothing stopping them from proceeding with impeachment.
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I believe your confuse me with another member, i want the investigation to occur so more information of the dnc meddling in Ukraine can be dug up.

As for Trump, the simple fact that Zal clearly stated he never felt pressured by Trump and the fact Rudy and Trump was requesting assistance from.Ukraine prior to Biden announcing his presidential run sort of deflates the entire narrative.
Exactly this and exactly why this is a nothing burger. Even the hard left leaning members of my family think this is stupid and will only help the Republicans.

He is not going to get voted out of office. Period.

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Yea Bernie and Warren actually said it in public while Trump never said it.
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