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      01-05-2021, 05:56 PM   #23
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Nice sale on the Dinan Sport currently. I have been running this on my 330i for about a month now and have been pleased with the performance bump.

https://www.dinancars.com/products/s...arts/D440-0047
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After reading all of the comments and debating back and forth / between the JB+ and the JB4, I just ordered the Dinantronics D440-0047 direct from Dinan. Like the JB+ I'm drawn to the small investment aspect of it, the modest power/torque gains, and the simplicity of the install & removal. I'm not looking to blow the doors off of anyone - I know this won't be comparable to my F80 M3 no matter what I do to it.

I liked Steve Dinan's comments (online - Youtube video) about how piggybacks work on modern cars, why they chose to go to piggybacks (rather than pure software flashes as they used to do), and how they draw more sensor data streams than some others so that they're not just raising boost and counting on the native BMW anti-knock circuitry / loops to reign things in. Here's hoping it gives a smooth experience.

FYI they are currently on sale (as of 1/15/21) for a price comparable to the JB+, with free shipping.

(Interesting also that Dinan is now part of the Holley conglomerate / roll-up sponsored by Sentinel Partners. I hadn't been following it, but it's now grown to a huge grouping of diverse aftermarket brands.)
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After reading all of the comments and debating back and forth / between the JB+ and the JB4, I just ordered the Dinantronics D440-0047 direct from Dinan. Like the JB+ I'm drawn to the small investment aspect of it, the modest power/torque gains, and the simplicity of the install & removal. I'm not looking to blow the doors off of anyone - I know this won't be comparable to my F80 M3 no matter what I do to it.

I liked Steve Dinan's comments (online - Youtube video) about how piggybacks work on modern cars, why they chose to go to piggybacks (rather than pure software flashes as they used to do), and how they draw more sensor data streams than some others so that they're not just raising boost and counting on the native BMW anti-knock circuitry / loops to reign things in. Here's hoping it gives a smooth experience.

FYI they are currently on sale (as of 1/15/21) for a price comparable to the JB+, with free shipping.

(Interesting also that Dinan is now part of the Holley conglomerate / roll-up sponsored by Sentinel Partners. I hadn't been following it, but it's now grown to a huge grouping of diverse aftermarket brands.)
I think the Dinan Sport you ordered does indeed only raise boost, it doesn't have any other sensor input. Dinan has other boxes, like the Elite, that have more connections and more sophisticated tuning, but the sport is the equivalent to a JB+.
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I think the Dinan Sport you ordered does indeed only raise boost, it doesn't have any other sensor input. Dinan has other boxes, like the Elite, that have more connections and more sophisticated tuning, but the sport is the equivalent to a JB+.
The Dinan Sport plugs into the Map and Tmap sensor with the G20 so it is slightly more advanced than the JB+.

I have been running it on my 330i for a month or so now at the sport + setting (+3 PSI.) The butt dyno tells me the car pulls a bit harder in sport and sport + and i have not had any CELs or other negative side effects.

The only downside is that the app is pretty crappy and if you plan on using any recent Android device the version of the app on the Google play store will not work. There is a newer version of the app that does run on newer Android versions that can be downloaded directly on your device from here. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZM0...ew?usp=sharing (Dinan support provided me this link.)
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Is an Elite module in the pipeline as well?
Yes. As is a flash.
Following back up on this now that were in to 2021. What are the chances that a flash and/or Dinan elite piggy back will be available Q1 for the G20 330?
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      01-21-2021, 01:36 PM   #28
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The Dinan Sport plugs into the Map and Tmap sensor with the G20 so it is slightly more advanced than the JB+.

I have been running it on my 330i for a month or so now at the sport + setting (+3 PSI.) The butt dyno tells me the car pulls a bit harder in sport and sport + and i have not had any CELs or other negative side effects.

The only downside is that the app is pretty crappy and if you plan on using any recent Android device the version of the app on the Google play store will not work. There is a newer version of the app that does run on newer Android versions that can be downloaded directly on your device from here. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZM0...ew?usp=sharing (Dinan support provided me this link.)
Finally have a new app in the final stages of testing so be on the lookout for that.

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Following back up on this now that were in to 2021. What are the chances that a flash and/or Dinan elite piggy back will be available Q1 for the G20 330?
Slim. Q2 at earliest is probably more realistic. The Elite units are undergoing a bit of a transition as well so depending on what you are after it might not be what you want. The Dinan+ flash will be the only Dinan engine tuning offering that has the factory matching warranty as an example.
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The Dinan Sport plugs into the Map and Tmap sensor with the G20 so it is slightly more advanced than the JB+.

I have been running it on my 330i for a month or so now at the sport + setting (+3 PSI.) The butt dyno tells me the car pulls a bit harder in sport and sport + and i have not had any CELs or other negative side effects.

The only downside is that the app is pretty crappy and if you plan on using any recent Android device the version of the app on the Google play store will not work. There is a newer version of the app that does run on newer Android versions that can be downloaded directly on your device from here. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZM0...ew?usp=sharing (Dinan support provided me this link.)
Finally have a new app in the final stages of testing so be on the lookout for that.

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Following back up on this now that were in to 2021. What are the chances that a flash and/or Dinan elite piggy back will be available Q1 for the G20 330?
Slim. Q2 at earliest is probably more realistic. The Elite units are undergoing a bit of a transition as well so depending on what you are after it might not be what you want. The Dinan+ flash will be the only Dinan engine tuning offering that has the factory matching warranty as an example.
I am interested in the flash anyways. Will Dinan authorized dealers be able to bench unlock from their garage as opposed to having to ship to your HQ?
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I am interested in the flash anyways. Will Dinan authorized dealers be able to bench unlock from their garage as opposed to having to ship to your HQ?
That's the goal.
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After reading all of the comments and debating back and forth / between the JB+ and the JB4, I just ordered the Dinantronics D440-0047 direct from Dinan.
UPDATE: package with DINANTRONICS Sport Performance Tuner arrived. Contents = just the 4-connector harness with attached small hard plastic CPU box and 7 zip ties. The instructions are downloaded as a PDF from their website.

Install was fairly easy - I went REALLY slow figuring out how to disconnect the first connector, as it's not intuitive how it works and I didn't want to break it. Also didn't look carefully enough at the first photo, and started fooling with the wrong sensor/connector first. Had to reference a JB4 installation video on youtube to try to get a better view of what part of the connector moves and where to poke with the small flat blade screwdriver. Once you figure out one of them, the rest are very quick.

Haven't started or driven the car yet - will do so today or tomorrow. (Swapped on the black grille and installed ECS spacers yesterday, will be trying to do the chrome delete of the window trim using vinyl film today.)

I can easily see how the Dinan setup could come off and back on for dealership service visits - probably just unhook it at the four connections, replug the OEM connections, and plug the Dinan ends into each other (or not) and temporarily zip tie them out of the way. If the tech doesn't remove the big plastic engine cover, he will probably never know it's there.
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Finally have a new app in the final stages of testing so be on the lookout for that.
Any news on the updated app?
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Finally have a new app in the final stages of testing so be on the lookout for that.
Any news on the updated app?

Yeah, this. ^

I backordered the Sport tuner or whatever it's called last week... 5/20 shipping.
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Yeah, this. ^

I backordered the Sport tuner or whatever it's called last week... 5/20 shipping.
iOS version of the newest app has been in the store the last month or so. Not sure why the Android one hasnt been updated. There was some certificate issues at one point but I thought that was resolved. Pinging the app folks to see what the story is there.

A fair amount of the SPORT tuners are on backorder given the global shortage/demand of chips. Having issues sourcing the BT chips specifically due to this shortage and they keep getting pushed. =/
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I'll keep my fingers crossed on that backorder... glad it's just $200 wrapped up in it.
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iOS version of the newest app has been in the store the last month or so. Not sure why the Android one hasnt been updated. There was some certificate issues at one point but I thought that was resolved. Pinging the app folks to see what the story is there.
Any luck?
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Any luck?
Long story short -- chasing a minor bug yet. Waiting on a new version of a test app to verify its fixed before being pushed.
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iOS version of the newest app has been in the store the last month or so. Not sure why the Android one hasnt been updated. There was some certificate issues at one point but I thought that was resolved. Pinging the app folks to see what the story is there.

A fair amount of the SPORT tuners are on backorder given the global shortage/demand of chips. Having issues sourcing the BT chips specifically due to this shortage and they keep getting pushed. =/
Any update on the Android app?
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Any update on the Android app?
The amount of back and forth the last few weeks has been exhausting. Every revision the developers do they tweak something else that needs to be fixed or forget to do something, etc. Its quite infuriating really. Waiting to hear back from the latest inquiry...
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Any update on the Android app?
Updated Android App released as of 10 minutes or so ago... doesn't appear to be fully populated in search yet but direct link is HERE.
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Updated Android App released as of 10 minutes or so ago... doesn't appear to be fully populated in search yet but direct link is HERE.
Is it a new app and not an upgrade to the existing app?
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Updated Android App released as of 10 minutes or so ago... doesn't appear to be fully populated in search yet but direct link is HERE.
Is it a new app and not an upgrade to the existing app?
Update technically but new download as we didn't have access to the original APK file or something. I'm not going to pretend to understand so that may or not make any sense. That's how I interpreted it.
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Forgot to post that I received my Sport tuner last week... Super quick/easy install. The app (iOS) is pretty lackluster but is straight forward to use.

Butt dyno definitely notices the extra boost. I need to get the f- outta the Netherlands and down to the 'Ring now. Too many brick side streets and too many speed limits on the highway here.

Definitely worth the $200.
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So I've had the Sport tuner installed almost two weeks now...

Can someone help me understand how the tuner's Sport, Sport+ and Race settings interact with the car's Eco, Comfort, Sport and Sport+ settings?

If I have the tuner set at Race and put the car in Eco, what is actually happening?
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