[Nahlem]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

Such fashion-consciousness here today! If the car is great to drive, has good range, reasonable recharging time, comfortable, spacious, and reasonably priced for the longer range version (probably the middle model of the three, the i440), I am not concerned about the grille nor if a body panel creases this way or that.

As to comparing to the Audi, doesn't matter how that looks or drives. It's an Audi. Awful experience with a 2016 A6 3.0T, from the car to the company. Never again, no matter what they make.

Agree good statement, one of my most looking forward to parts when getting the I4 later will be getting "normal" sized tires compared to my current i3 and being able to shop for new rims and such stuff in the future. Man i love my i3 but from time to time it does lack in some areas besides the range.

[MPSdriver]

Looks like it wears a color I haven't seen in the G2x lineup yet?

[Saphirschwarz]

Originally Posted by BimR

Looks like a full-on new style big grill instead of the kidneys??? Hopefully I'm seeing it wrong.

Where have u been all this time lol

[f30paul]

I like the look of this, and it shows where they are heading with full ev’s. No odd ‘let’s look different’ design. As the first in a line of full ev’s I’m expecting this one to be well out of my price range, but 5 or so years down the line it may become more mainstream, as when I have to buy a full EV, it’s not going to be one of the Kia/Hyundai/MG Chinese clones.

[wigglebutts]

Originally Posted by f30paul

I like the look of this, and it shows where they are heading with full ev’s. No odd ‘let’s look different’ design. As the first in a line of full ev’s I’m expecting this one to be well out of my price range, but 5 or so years down the line it may become more mainstream, as when I have to buy a full EV, it’s not going to be one of the Kia/Hyundai/MG Chinese clones.

Uh, don't the BMW designers and engineers now work for that cheap Chinese clone company "KIA"?

They make some seriously nice vehicles for the price point.

[GOLFFRR]

ill have to see it in person. The audi does look great not going to lie, but i like the BMW set up as well. but for me, again, I Will have to see it in person and see what tech it comes out with etc.. in final stage

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by wigglebutts

Uh, don't the BMW designers and engineers now work for that cheap Chinese clone company "KIA"?

They make some seriously nice vehicles for the price point.

Actually, no! The people at Kia and sister brands Hyundai and Genesis would be quite surprised to find out they’re not in South Korea any more!

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by TXSchnee

After seeing the E Tron GT reveal yesterday, this looks underwhelming.

Agree but also in the UK pricing will mean a different market for each perhaps and aside from the very top i4 performance levels very different.

E Tron GT £85k starting
i4 will start at half that

E Tron GT also a near 5m car.

[Bimmer Jeff]

The 4GC and i4 will be very nice and exciting cars!

What's with all of you comparing the up coming 4 with the E-Tron GT anyway?

The E Tron will compete with the Tesla S, Porsche Taycan, Lucid Air, Mercedes EQS. All of these vehicles will have a starting price near $100k

eventually the BMW i5 or i7 will be in this category as well...

The i4 competes with the Tesla 3. BMW has historically dominated the sports sedan market; aka 3 series... this is why Mercedes and Audi are waiting to see what BMW offers in this segment before they show off their models...

My prediction is the i4 will be a wildly successful vehicle!! You all can continue to mindlessly make things up again... thanks for reading.

[cisweisswurschtequatori]

Originally Posted by MPSdriver

Looks like it wears a color I haven't seen in the G2x lineup yet?

Looks like aventurine red metallic to me. So definitely new to G2x (at least besides the special Individual catalogue).

[hlothery]

Most of the miles on my M550 were between my house and the golf course, about 25 miles one way. If I could find an EV with some style and interior luxury, I'd definitely be in the market. Tesla doesn't do it for me, and I don't want to pay $100k+ to get that. This has possibilities. YMMV.

[cisweisswurschtequatori]

Originally Posted by Bimmer Jeff

The 4GC and i4 will be very nice and exciting cars!

What's with all of you comparing the up coming 4 with the E-Tron GT anyway?

The E Tron will compete with the Tesla S, Porsche Taycan, Lucid Air, Mercedes EQS. All of these vehicles will have a starting price near $100k

eventually the BMW i5 or i7 will be in this category as well...

The i4 competes with the Tesla 3. BMW has historically dominated the sports sedan market; aka 3 series... this is why Mercedes and Audi are waiting to see what BMW offers in this segment before they show off their models...

My prediction is the i4 will be a wildly successful vehicle!! You all can continue to mindlessly make things up again... thanks for reading.

IMHO you're absolutely right. The e-Tron GT seems like a classic GT car - so in dimensions, power output and performance it better should be compared to the 8er Gran Coupe or so. I see a problem with average media being unable to differentiate. The only thing they seem to realize is: German manufacturer, coupe like exterior, BEV, "Tesla-Killer".

Talking about AUDI sports cars - I like the idea of producing a pure sports car or GT (like R8 or e-Tron GT) as a way to define the brand image and I think BMW should to something likewise on an emotional level. Being more rational I accept that BMW won't invest lot's of money in niche product - there's definitely more money to make with an i4. As far as I can remember the news from a few years ago AUDI isn't making any money with the R8 (or even lost money with every sold car). And don't believe it will be any different with the e-Tron GT, even though both cars have a good base to start with and lower development costs.

[TXSchnee]

Originally Posted by Bimmer Jeff

The 4GC and i4 will be very nice and exciting cars!

What's with all of you comparing the up coming 4 with the E-Tron GT anyway?

The E Tron will compete with the Tesla S, Porsche Taycan, Lucid Air, Mercedes EQS. All of these vehicles will have a starting price near $100k

eventually the BMW i5 or i7 will be in this category as well...

The i4 competes with the Tesla 3. BMW has historically dominated the sports sedan market; aka 3 series... this is why Mercedes and Audi are waiting to see what BMW offers in this segment before they show off their models...

My prediction is the i4 will be a wildly successful vehicle!! You all can continue to mindlessly make things up again... thanks for reading.

BMW could have tried harder to make this look nice. Look at a KIA, they are cheap, but have a better design language than the current direction at BMW. MSRP shouldn't matter on how a vehicle looks, unless there is a lot of exotic materials being used.

[wtwo3]

I'm getting very strong 6 series gran turismo vibes from these latest spy shots..... and that is not a good thing....

[ZCD1]

Originally Posted by hlothery

If I could find an EV with some style and interior luxury, I'd definitely be in the market...

Refreshed Model S, maybe?:

https://www.tesla.com/models

Much nicer interior, sharper exterior, 400 mile range, 0-60 in 3.1, $80K.

[hlothery]

Originally Posted by ZCD1

Refreshed Model S, maybe?:

https://www.tesla.com/models

Much nicer interior, sharper exterior, 400 mile range, 0-60 in 3.1, $80K.

But 24th out of 26 in consumer satisfaction surveys for reliability, poor fitting of body parts, paint longevity, squeaks and rattles, etc. Nope, Tesla doesn't do it for me. Thanks, though.

[ZCD1]

Originally Posted by hlothery

Nope

Number 1 by far in overall owner satisfaction, though..

We'll know about squeaks and rattles in the refreshed Model S in a couple of years.

My Model 3 is tight as a drum at 2 years and 30K miles, and seems to me to be evidence that Tesla learned a lot about this aspect of car building in the 8 years since the original Model S was introduced.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by ZCD1

Number 1 by far in overall owner satisfaction, though..

Cognitive dissonance is powerful. Viper owners were also in very deep love despite the problems.

You may have been fortunate to get one of the "good ones" but a Tesla purchase remains a definite risk for quality, per a large sample of their own owners.

[X5 45e]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

Cognitive dissonance is powerful. Viper owners were also in very deep love despite the problems.

You may have been fortunate to get one of the "good ones" but a Tesla purchase remains a definite risk for quality, per a large sample of their own owners.

When the first ones were released only the happy few could afford them.

And you are not going to tell everyone at a cocktail party that your 100.000 $ car that you have been bragging about and will safe the earth by driving electric sucks and you made a bad decision.

Tesla makes a very good electric driving system. No one has better mileage and range and their auto pilot is good. Just a shame they can't build good looking reliable luxury cars. If Tesla sells the whole thing to BMW / Mercedes / VW and one of them produces a German car with Tesla electric driving technology it will be the ultimate EV.

And it was also a great idea to develop a supercharger network. Ionity in Europe is no where near to performance and coverage of Tesla superchargers.

[dr_frankfurter]

Originally Posted by X5 45e

When the first ones were released only the happy few could afford them.

And you are not going to tell everyone at a cocktail party that your 100.000 $ car that you have been bragging about and will safe the earth by driving electric sucks and you made a bad decision.

Tesla makes a very good electric driving system. No one has better mileage and range and their auto pilot is good. Just a shame they can't build good looking reliable luxury cars. If Tesla sells the whole thing to BMW / Mercedes / VW and one of them produces a German car with Tesla electric driving technology it will be the ultimate EV.

And it was also a great idea to develop a supercharger network. Ionity in Europe is no where near to performance and coverage of Tesla superchargers.

My thoughts exactly. What Tesla should do is also become an electric drivetrain supplier, in the same way ZF supplies the world with their 8 speed gearbox. Make the Supercharger network compatible with all EV's and let the dough roll in. The charging network is not "good enough" to sway people to only purchase a Tesla EV - certainly didn't work for everyone who doesn't have one. They should be less concerned with losing sales to competitors and more focused on turning a profit, and producing cars good enough to sway the German driving people to give them a second look.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by dr_frankfurter

My thoughts exactly. What Tesla should do is also become an electric drivetrain supplier, in the same way ZF supplies the world with their 8 speed gearbox. Make the Supercharger network compatible with all EV's and let the dough roll in. The charging network is not "good enough" to sway people to only purchase a Tesla EV - certainly didn't work for everyone who doesn't have one. They should be less concerned with losing sales to competitors and more focused on turning a profit, and producing cars good enough to sway the German driving people to give them a second look.

The technology is already open to other manufacturers to use.

Why Other Car Companies Don't Use Tesla Superchargers

[dr_frankfurter]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

The technology is already open to other manufacturers to use.

Why Other Car Companies Don't Use Tesla Superchargers

"It all has to do with what Tesla put in the fine print." I guess this is what I was referring to. It's almost the equivalent of Mercedes or Ford having done this with all gas stations back when they started making more mainstream cars. Maybe the folks over at Shell or Exxon will develop gas stations into fast charging stations one day. I'm sure the idea has crossed their table more than once.