[kuzdu]

Originally Posted by femtoevo

This was one of our mistakes in the past - releasing this code. Now this lesson learned.

don't need to release it for free, just patent and sell it.

[femtoevo]

Originally Posted by kuzdu

don't need to release it for free, just patent and sell it.

Not possible to patent / license such kind of things.

[Trap.]

I just want to be able to unlock my 2021 without sending my DME across the world.

[Red_Bean_Bun]

Originally Posted by femtoevo

This was one of our mistakes in the past - releasing this code. Now this lesson learned.

Why is it a mistake ? You been bmw found your backdoor and closed it ?

[xnick101]

Originally Posted by Red_Bean_Bun

Why is it a mistake ? You been bmw found your backdoor and closed it ?

No, because people just copy the code and they can use the OBD2 unlock as well ie BM3. Basically taking away profits/recognization of femto when they actually were the ones to unlock it.

[Red_Bean_Bun]

Originally Posted by xnick101

No, because people just copy the code and they can use the OBD2 unlock as well ie BM3. Basically taking away profits/recognization of femto when they actually were the ones to unlock it.

If BM3 did that - it’s a terrible thing they did. Unethical.

They reverse engineer the femto app ?

[c18]

I know these crazy new DMEs are getting harder and harder to crack, Now its either ship your car's brains out and have a dead car for a bit or carry on this sad life of stock hp figures.

[kuzdu]

Originally Posted by femtoevo

Not possible to patent / license such kind of things.

are you guys able to unlock via odb yet?

[femtoevo]

Originally Posted by kuzdu

are you guys able to unlock via odb yet?

The question is not about "is it possible to unlock via this or via that", but "Will it be copied once end-user solution will be released?"
And the answer is "YES".
The next question is "are we want to loose all of our time (and money) investments in 1 day or not?".
We understand that you want quick and easy solution, but please understand us as well.

[bimmerstar]

Originally Posted by femtoevo

The question is not about "is it possible to unlock via this or via that", but "Will it be copied once end-user solution will be released?"
And the answer is "YES".
The next question is "are we want to loose all of our time (and money) investments in 1 day or not?".
We understand that you want quick and easy solution, but please understand us as well.

its going to get cracked eventually. Unless you spend a lot of money protecting it, its just going to get cracked by the next guy at some point no matter what you do. companies spend millions of dollars protecting software every year. Open up a pre buy for a locked down obd module only you can use, get your costs covered and take some spoils for your hard work, become the number 1 place people trust and use. Build the brand. You'll make more money doing that then trying to protect the software and lock it down. Eventually someone else will crack on their own and youll be remembered as the company who wouldnt sell the unlocks because you wanted all the money. I bet there is a lot of money to be made by releasing the obd unlock even if only for a short time you are the only one on market.

I understand you need to make your money. But what if someone cracks it next week. All that hard work you have done will be for nothing and you will not be able to make as much money now. either way, the time is ticking. once someone releases the crack, the money river will run dry for unlocks.

[evan103207]

Originally Posted by bimmerstar

its going to get cracked eventually. Unless you spend a lot of money protecting it, its just going to get cracked by the next guy at some point no matter what you do. companies spend millions of dollars protecting software every year. Open up a pre buy for a locked down obd module only you can use, get your costs covered and take some spoils for your hard work, become the number 1 place people trust and use. Build the brand. You'll make more money doing that then trying to protect the software and lock it down. Eventually someone else will crack on their own and youll be remembered as the company who wouldnt sell the unlocks because you wanted all the money. I bet there is a lot of money to be made by releasing the obd unlock even if only for a short time you are the only one on market.

I understand you need to make your money. But what if someone cracks it next week. All that hard work you have done will be for nothing and you will not be able to make as much money now. either way, the time is ticking. once someone releases the crack, the money river will run dry for unlocks.

Mission Performance made the same excuse that femto is making now about the OBD unlock. If two different companies have an OBD unlock and both refuse to release in fear that someone else will steal it that would be the ultimate troll.

[bimmerstar]

Originally Posted by evan103207

Mission Performance made the same excuse that femto is making now about the OBD unlock. If two different companies have an OBD unlock and both refuse to release in fear that someone else will steal it that would be the ultimate troll.

well one needs to release and make some money if 2 separate companies have it.

[femtoevo]

Originally Posted by bimmerstar

become the number 1 place people trust and use. Build the brand. You'll make more money doing that then trying to protect the software and lock it down.

We are already trusted by many people, and we are focused on providing great opportunities for tuning companies around the world, and making more people happy with their properly tuned cars. Just check "dragy" app G8x series hall of fame and you'll see that almost all top 10 places are occupied by flash tuned cars, this wouldn't be possible without our unlock. Tuners are developing, end users are enjoying.

Originally Posted by bimmerstar

and youll be remembered as the company who wouldnt sell the unlocks because you wanted all the money.

It seems you have confused us with someone else.

Originally Posted by bimmerstar

I bet there is a lot of money to be made by releasing the obd unlock even if only for a short time you are the only one on market.

Our unlock is already released, the only downside - you need to send us your car's ECU. Because you're right - it will be "eventually" copied, and we don't want to spend millions for useless protection.

Originally Posted by evan103207

Mission Performance made the same excuse that femto is making now about the OBD unlock.

Oh, right, that's who we were confused with! But. Our unlock is the real deal and it's proven not only by us, but also by our happy customers. Feel the difference.

Originally Posted by evan103207

If two different companies have an OBD unlock and both refuse to release in fear that someone else will steal it that would be the ultimate troll.

Originally Posted by bimmerstar

well one needs to release and make some money if 2 separate companies have it.

One more time - our unlock is released for more than a year, and many companies and users are trust us and already enjoying their tuned cars.
Our unlock is public, our tech is private.

[idontsave]

Originally Posted by femtoevo

Our unlock is public, our tech is private.

And rightfully so.

Only wish you guys were stateside so I wouldn't have to plan for 10-15 days without the car

[Insane435]

Originally Posted by femtoevo

We are already trusted by many people, and we are focused on providing great opportunities for tuning companies around the world, and making more people happy with their properly tuned cars. Just check "dragy" app G8x series hall of fame and you'll see that almost all top 10 places are occupied by flash tuned cars, this wouldn't be possible without our unlock. Tuners are developing, end users are enjoying.


It seems you have confused us with someone else.


Our unlock is already released, the only downside - you need to send us your car's ECU. Because you're right - it will be "eventually" copied, and we don't want to spend millions for useless protection.


Oh, right, that's who we were confused with! But. Our unlock is the real deal and it's proven not only by us, but also by our happy customers. Feel the difference.




One more time - our unlock is released for more than a year, and many companies and users are trust us and already enjoying their tuned cars.
Our unlock is public, our tech is private.

What he is saying is to release an unlock users can do from their own garage. Not to ship it for $2000 across the world and be without their car for a number of days.

To put it as simply as possible: All of us would like to pick BM3, MHD, MG, etc and be able to flash and unlock the car for the cost of the license. Its a major barrier to have to pay $2k on a 06/20+ and even annoying to pay $450 on the pre 06. It should be included in the license to use the end product.

This is exactly why i avoided buying a post 06/20 production date M340. At least worst case now I can spend a few hundred and get mine unlocked at a local shop. Then the worry is the risk of relock and having to pay again. All seems like a bit of a racket to me.

[bimmerstar]

femtoevo

I hope you can figure out a safe way to release a proprietary obd module using your work that can unlock our cars in our garages. write something in the code only you know and lock the chip down. they can copy your hex but if you put a gremlin in the code, only you will be able to figure it out and fix. then all will know the origin. I know you do good work. but ultimately, if another company cracks and releases this service, you will be forgotten,

[kuzdu]

Originally Posted by femtoevo

The question is not about "is it possible to unlock via this or via that", but "Will it be copied once end-user solution will be released?"
And the answer is "YES".
The next question is "are we want to loose all of our time (and money) investments in 1 day or not?".
We understand that you want quick and easy solution, but please understand us as well.

In this world having something that's a goldmine and not acting on the demand of it will leave you in the dust. Like everyone is saying someone will eventually crack this and where will femto and mission be? Remembered as the guys that didn't want to bring this code to the people garages and will be forgotten? Learn from the past and act on it. Good work cracking everything.

Hold the code…. Make 100k and be happy or sell the code make a cool million and jump onto the next code cracking

Third option keep things the way they are, wait for a guy down the road to crack the code and sell it for 2 million….no one will reach out again and thread will be closed

[femtoevo]

Originally Posted by Insane435

This is exactly why i avoided buying a post 06/20 production date M340.

Why is this happened? I mean why 06/20+ are all locked?
It's because BMW bought a "tool" for 06/20- cars which can be used in their garage as well, checked where the vulnerability is and eventually fixed it. This is another reason why we don't want to release our tech.

You can brand us as much as you like, it's your right. But you can’t take away the fact that our unlock is there, it works and people use it.

[Insane435]

Originally Posted by femtoevo

Why is this happened? I mean why 06/20+ are all locked?
It's because BMW bought a "tool" for 06/20- cars which can be used in their garage as well, checked where the vulnerability is and eventually fixed it. This is another reason why we don't want to release our tech.

You can brand us as much as you like, it's your right. But you can’t take away the fact that our unlock is there, it works and people use it.

What about my pre 06/20? I can’t unlock that my garage.

[chenry]

Originally Posted by Insane435

What about my pre 06/20? I can’t unlock that my garage.

If you have had a software update you will likely now need a bench unlock. As an example with my 2020 I was able to unlock flash lock etc etc just fine at home using my Mission Performance software. However once my car eventually went in for the brake recall (I held out as long as I could) the car needed to be bench unlocked

Hope this helps

ps- the funny thing is what eventually forced me into the dealership was BMW financial would not give me my lease buyout number (on line or over the phone) until the recall was performed. And in that I am about ready to list the car - I needed that info

[Insane435]

Originally Posted by chenry

If you have had a software update you will likely now need a bench unlock. As an example with my 2020 I was able to unlock flash lock etc etc just fine at home using my Mission Performance software. However once my car eventually went in for the brake recall (I held out as long as I could) the car needed to be bench unlocked

Hope this helps

ps- the funny thing is what eventually forced me into the dealership was BMW financial would not give me my lease buyout number (on line or over the phone) until the recall was performed. And in that I am about ready to list the car - I needed that info

Yes I know it needs one. My point was they say the service is available which we all understand but the cost and logistics of the service is ridiculous. It's also ridiculous I get quoted $450 to get my unlock done locally (pre 06/20). Should be apart of the license but that's another story. I understand BM3 does it for free but its more about the hassle and risk of shipping. Yes, I understand the risk is low but there is a risk. Its 2022, we want plug and play and easy solutions

They're losing out on an asinine amount of sales I bet. Oh well.

[vitooo]

For what it's worth, I talked with Carbahn yesterday and they told me that they are ~3 months out from releasing a flash tune for the 2021+ M340. If true, it seems like a solution for us with a locked ECU is not too far out