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      02-26-2019, 01:07 PM   #23
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What exactly are they waking up to? I'm pretty sure they're 'woke' since you know, the manual doesn't sell.

It's crazy how many people on these forums have absolutely zero business sense even though they've somehow managed to afford a BMW.
Completely agree here!

We vote with our wallets, and not enough people bought manuals for it to be worth the cost of them developing them.

If there was a 20-30% uptake in Manual purchases they would still make them.
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Completely agree here!

We vote with our wallets, and not enough people bought manuals for it to be worth the cost of them developing them.

If there was a 20-30% uptake in Manual purchases they would still make them.
Absolutely. I think there was a report on the take rate for DCT vs Manual. 80% + DCT and like less than 20% manual. I don't think we'll see another manual M3/M4 after the G8x. The M2 has a chance.
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the steering is a major improvement on the g20 and the handling feels so much better as well. my only complaint is the pedal feel in sport mode. it seems as if it doesn't change at all and you really have to get on it before you feel the extra torque. actually thinking about it, i don't remember the steering being any different in sport either. about to take our msport out again to see.
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The G20 isn't anything like the poorly thought out F30. Significant improvement over the former generation. Then again, anything really was a step up over the previous generation. The F30 was THAT generation in the 3 series lineup. I love my S5, but Audi doesn't really seem to have the features that MB and BMW have, such as adaptive headlights or brake drying. Not sure if it is a cost cutting measure but it's annoying. I also hate the understeer. Still the best DD I've owned.
Ok, I'm not reading anything you're writing anymore. S5 is a VAG garbage and to say F30 is "that" car compared to S5 you lost credibility or only drove a stripper champagne beige 320 pre-LCI

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You'd be correct if BMW was the ONLY manufacturer killing the manual.They're not. Others killed it off way before BMW ever did.

Same applies for wagons. Only Mercedes and Volvo in sell wagons in the premium market. I don't think the E wagon will be back next gen.
Second sentence is contradicting your first one.
Which is it? It's okay for BMW to kill 6MT because they were last. Or it's okay not to bring wagons because only MB and Volvo sell wagons?
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Also his turo cars as well. He would rip those cars to pieces if they were truly bad.
Yep i appreciate that cause he's got no fears of pissing anyone off, but he can't do that with these flashy dealer loaners otherwise they'll get sour and won't work him anymore, that's my guess.

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Ok, I'm not reading anything you're writing anymore. S5 is a VAG garbage and to say F30 is "that" car compared to S5 you lost credibility or only drove a stripper champagne beige 320 pre-LCI



Second sentence is contradicting your first one.
Which is it? It's okay for BMW to kill 6MT because they were last. Or it's okay not to bring wagons because only MB and Volvo sell wagons?
Massaging to make your point.

You're entitled to your opinion. The B9 S5 was head and shoulders ahead of the F3x gen.

The point I was making was that manuals and wagons are a dying(dead?) breed. People have gravitated towards SUV's. 44% of total BMW sales last year were SUV's in the USA. Let that sink it.
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I love the part when he says, "no more manual....pause pause pause...but there's still a lot to love there" hahaha. Come on BMW, wake the f up, bring back 6mt
What exactly are they waking up to? I'm pretty sure they're 'woke' since you know, the manual doesn't sell.

It's crazy how many people on these forums have absolutely zero business sense even though they've somehow managed to afford a BMW.
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You're entitled to your opinion. The B9 S5 was head and shoulders ahead of the F3x gen.

The point I was making was that manuals and wagons are a dying(dead?) breed. People have gravitated towards SUV's. 44% of total BMW sales last year was SUV's in the USA. Let that sink it.
Please read M3 forum, There will be G80 Manual Transmission M3 Pure
When time comes for me to change I'll have to step up to M3 6MT Pure unless BMW wakes up and makes G20 6MT 340
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Please read M3 forum, There will be G80 Manual Transmission M3 Pure
When time comes for me to change I'll have to step up to M3 6MT Pure unless BMW wakes up and makes G20 6MT 340
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Absolutely. I think there was a report on the take rate for DCT vs Manual. 80% + DCT and like less than 20% manual. I don't think we'll see another manual M3/M4 after the G8x. The M2 has a chance.
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Ok, I'm not reading anything you're writing anymore. S5 is a VAG garbage and to say F30 is "that" car compared to S5 you lost credibility or only drove a stripper champagne beige 320 pre-LCI



Second sentence is contradicting your first one.
Which is it? It's okay for BMW to kill 6MT because they were last. Or it's okay not to bring wagons because only MB and Volvo sell wagons?
Massaging to make your point.

You're entitled to your opinion. The B9 S5 was head and shoulders ahead of the F3x gen.

The point I was making was that manuals and wagons are a dying(dead?) breed. People have gravitated towards SUV's. 44% of total BMW sales last year was SUV's in the USA. Let that sink it.
Audi is rumored to be bringing the RS6 back to the US and discussing adding the regular A6 Avant and RS4 too. Volvo's got two wagons, with butch versions of each.

As for advanced lighting, in terms of corner lighting and adaptability, Audi (and even my GTI with LED's) has BMW beat, add in the EU features through coding and they're superb.

As for manuals, it's not exactly news that they're largely going away. Outside of the 718, 911, MX5 and Wrangler, I bet in five years there won't really be any significant options. Doesn't mean BMW isn't losing sales because of dropping them now though. To be fair, probably not enough to offset the cost of certifying it, but an auto only Z4 is just dumb (not that a folding hardtop one wasn't equally dumb.)
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Audi is rumored to be bringing the RS6 back to the US and discussing adding the regular A6 Avant and RS4 too. Volvo's got two wagons, with butch versions of each.

As for advanced lighting, in terms of corner lighting and adaptability, Audi (and even my GTI with LED's) has BMW beat, add in the EU features through coding and they're superb.

As for manuals, it's not exactly news that they're largely going away. Outside of the 718, 911, MX5 and Wrangler, I bet in five years there won't really be any significant options. Doesn't mean BMW isn't losing sales because of dropping them now though. To be fair, probably not enough to offset the cost of certifying it, but an auto only Z4 is just dumb.
That's exciting. I'd love to see an RS6 Avant in the States. My S5 headlights are stationary and while the beam pattern is very wide, they don't angle around turns. I wish, at least the US they would offer adaptive lights until they figure out the Matrix LED situation. I believe it's been approved, no?

The cost of developing a manual just isn't worth it anymore. We're in agreement that it sucks and it's stupid that no manual option is offered for the 'Ultimate Driving Machine'. Also understand that it's stupid for BMW to offer a manual transmission for something like five percent of the population.
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When time comes for me to change I'll have to step up to M3 6MT Pure unless BMW wakes up and makes G20 6MT 340
There's nothing to wake up to. Going down the same road. You are around five percent of the population. BMW does not cater to five percent of the population. If they did, they would be out of business right now and BMW would cease to exist. They cater to the majority of the population because they need to make money. This isn't really hard to understand. 2+2=4. If the M3 take rate goes down with the G8x, you can bet it's not coming back. The only reason the manual transmission is still alive in M cars was only because the take rate was high, especially in the M2.
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No surprise here, exactly the review I expected. Abundance of tech with not much else, bland vanilla for the masses.
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Audi is rumored to be bringing the RS6 back to the US and discussing adding the regular A6 Avant and RS4 too. Volvo's got two wagons, with butch versions of each.

As for advanced lighting, in terms of corner lighting and adaptability, Audi (and even my GTI with LED's) has BMW beat, add in the EU features through coding and they're superb.

As for manuals, it's not exactly news that they're largely going away. Outside of the 718, 911, MX5 and Wrangler, I bet in five years there won't really be any significant options. Doesn't mean BMW isn't losing sales because of dropping them now though. To be fair, probably not enough to offset the cost of certifying it, but an auto only Z4 is just dumb.
That's exciting. I'd love to see an RS6 Avant in the States. My S5 headlights are stationary and while the beam pattern is very wide, they don't angle around turns. I wish, at least the US they would offer adaptive lights until they figure out the Matrix LED situation. I believe it's been approved, no?

The cost of developing a manual just isn't worth it anymore. We're in agreement that it sucks and it's stupid that no manual option is offered for the 'Ultimate Driving Machine'. Also understand that it's stupid for BMW to offer a manual transmission for something like five percent of the population.
Just to continue to derail based on Audi lights, I assume you're talking the first S5? The current one certainly steers into turns. At least the RS5 SB I test drove did and both my GTI and our Q5 do.

In a somewhat strange programming mode, they do when set to Auto, but do not when turned to On. Not sure what the logic there is.
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Just to continue to derail based on Audi lights, I assume you're talking the first S5? The current one certainly steers into turns. At least the RS5 SB I test drove did and both my GTI and our Q5 do.

In a somewhat strange programming mode, they do when set to Auto, but do not when turned to On. Not sure what the logic there is.
No. They have a cornering lamp that turns on, but the B9 S5/RS5 don't have adaptive LED headlights. It's not even an option, even for the Prestige model.

The new A8, A7, and A6 also don't come with adaptive LED headlights that steer into turns. They come with Matrix LED headlights as an option, but they don't do anything here in the states other than go high beam and low beam automatically when they sense light. The current generation Q5 doesn't have it either. They will automatically level, but they will not go right or left. You'll see an LED cornering light turn on, though.
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There's nothing to wake up to. Going down the same road. You are around five percent of the population. BMW does not cater to five percent of the population. If they did, they would be out of business right now and BMW would cease to exist. They cater to the majority of the population because they need to make money. This isn't really hard to understand. 2+2=4. If the M3 take rate goes down with the G8x, you can bet it's not coming back. The only reason the manual transmission is still alive in M cars was only because the take rate was high, especially in the M2.
You're starting to sound like a Transmission Racist.
Minority Majority. Tell that to Softsheen Carson that makes Dark and Lovely hair dye for African American women.
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Just to continue to derail based on Audi lights, I assume you're talking the first S5? The current one certainly steers into turns. At least the RS5 SB I test drove did and both my GTI and our Q5 do.

In a somewhat strange programming mode, they do when set to Auto, but do not when turned to On. Not sure what the logic there is.
No. They have a cornering lamp that turns on, but the B9 S5/RS5 don't have adaptive LED headlights. It's not even an option, even for the Prestige model.

The new A8, A7, and A6 also don't come with adaptive LED headlights that steer into turns. They come with Matrix LED headlights as an option, but they don't do anything here in the states other than go high beam and low beam automatically when they sense light. The current generation Q5 doesn't have it either. They will automatically level, but they will not go right or left. You'll see an LED cornering light turn on, though.
Weird. I can confirm that my GTI does, and they're adjustable too.

I'd have sworn that our Q5 did too, but I rarely drive that thing, especially at night.

But this sort of silly logic does reek of VAG.

I do know that it's an additional cost option on Porsches, LED's are one price, and steering LED's are an additional cost.
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