[openwheelracing]

Audi's new interior in A6 is atrocious. They lost what they did best: Rock solid switchgears. Now they got nothing. Terrible interior

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by openwheelracing

Audi's new interior in A6 is atrocious. They lost what they did best: Rock solid switchgears. Now they got nothing. Terrible interior

100% agree, i've driven the new Q8, and its impossible to master the climate controls, way too distracting and the haptic feedback isn't very helpful. Their old MMI system was pretty much on par with iDrive in my opinion

[hans007]

i've got the current A4, and came from an F30 and a b8 A4 before that.

To be honest I'm regretting getting another A4.

Its a perfectly decent looking car with a nice interior and I didn't want another F30 when I got it about 2.5 years ago. Wanted to try a dual clutch too (it is legitimately great.... the S4 definitely is missing it I'd think)

But it could have been almost any near luxury premium car. Its very very competant, but it really has no soul its just really good, but not memorable. Even the f30 after over 4 years, it was exciting. Looking forward to getting a G20 next year, just that weight balance and RWD, for me... its a huge difference. I felt this car's much nicer interior / tech etc was so nice, I got it after the F30, but with the G20 I feel like BMW finally has something that has everything (the F30 interior / tech honestly was pretty terrible compared to merc / audi in 2016).

The direction audi is going in is really troubling. All touch screens, and the rumor that the B10 A4 will be based on the FWD platform with a transverse engine... yeah no thanks

I've sat in a few G20s already and I think the infotainment is nicer. Having the option of a touch screen is really, and personally I like the more futuristic cockpit over my virtual cockpit. Also the MMI is much much slower than the G20 system which is ridiculously responsive. My car has b&o audio (standard on premium plus A4s) and the BMW has it there too. Friend of mine who also has a '17 a4, with b&o both agree the system is really mediocre for "upgraded". Its probably on par with a base G20 / F30 system (I've tried both these out, the audi b&o on the A4 is just really meh)

[sitcom323]

Originally Posted by SWFL_Native

How about test driving a Genesis G70 3.3T while you’re at it?

Or a Kia Stinger GT. We’re not Brand snobs right?

[MT4life]

Originally Posted by sitcom323

Or a Kia Stinger GT. We’re not Brand snobs right?

Yes we are!
I'm not cross shopping BMW, MB, Audi, Lexus, Infiniti, Acura with Kia and Huidai. Nothing wrong with those Korean brands, I love Samsung, but they need to know their place and where they belong

[Frank_NJ]

Could not agree more "they need to know their place" as they are not in the same realm. Hyundia tried to compete with the 7 series and S class and ask them how well that went....... a car that lost 60% of its value day one.

Originally Posted by MT4life

Yes we are!
I'm not cross shopping BMW, MB, Audi, Lexus, Infiniti, Acura with Kia and Huidai. Nothing wrong with those Korean brands, I love Samsung, but they need to know their place and where they belong

[wknddrivr]

Originally Posted by Frank_NJ

Could not agree more "they need to know their place" as they are not in the same realm. Hyundia tried to compete with the 7 series and S class and ask them how well that went....... a car that lost 60% of its value day one.

That doesn’t mean the genesis was a bad car, it just wasn’t well received in the market because many people figured it was just an upgraded Hyundai, not realizing it was an entirely different platform that actually compares quite favorably to all the competitors except BMW and Mercedes.

The Kia Stinger was designed under the direction of the former head of BMW M division Albert Biermann. If you really think the Kia stinger nowhere near the 3 series you are in for a very rude awakening. Sure, it’s can use improvement in some areas, but it truly is a proper drivers car and deserves consideration.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by ssquared

That doesn’t mean the genesis was a bad car, it just wasn’t well received in the market because many people figured it was just an upgraded Hyundai, not realizing it was an entirely different platform that actually compares quite favorably to all the competitors except BMW and Mercedes.

The Kia Stinger was designed under the direction of the former head of BMW M division Albert Biermann. If you really think the Kia stinger nowhere near the 3 series you are in for a very rude awakening. Sure, it’s can use improvement in some areas, but it truly is a proper drivers car and deserves consideration.

True. I'd rather look at a Stinger as opposed to let's say a Chevy Malibu.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by jmg

True. I'd rather look at a Stinger as opposed to let's say a Chevy Malibu.

Having test driven one, I'd also say before an Audi A4. A brand is a badge...product makes the brand...sometimes for better, sometimes for worse, as everyone here knows from recent history.

[GoranBonn]

Originally Posted by joshuastein55

Yep, ive heard its not just the A4, but also the s4/5 and any new Audi with the V6, seems they all have a weird throttle lag unless the shifter is in sport/dynamic mode.

Yes, it's an emissions thing. I was recently at my first scheduled service and complained to the service technician about throttle lag particularly when coming to an almost-complete stop at an intersection, and wanting to accelerate before oncoming traffic.

The service tech was just nodding his head saying "I know what you mean, that's as it is, and most people don't notice it, but those coming from sportier brands notice it, particularly when the engine is still cold." He basically confirmed it's a diesel emissions thing done on purpose. Seems their engines are simply not up to par to the mandated limits, so they have to do these kinds of reductions in engine power to keep emissions under control.

[Fuller]

Originally Posted by GoranBonn

Yes, it's an emissions thing. I was recently at my first scheduled service and complained to the service technician about throttle lag particularly when coming to an almost-complete stop at an intersection, and wanting to accelerate before oncoming traffic.

The service tech was just nodding his head saying "I know what you mean, that's as it is, and most people don't notice it, but those coming from sportier brands notice it, particularly when the engine is still cold." He basically confirmed it's a diesel emissions thing done on purpose. Seems their engines are simply not up to par to the mandated limits, so they have to do these kinds of reductions in engine power to keep emissions under control.

That throttle lag would be intolerable for me. I'm not sure how anyone can overlook that.

[ted99]

As to safety, My opinion is that all three of the German brands are pretty much similar. They all have the same regulatory body and testing regimes. If I lived in a place where deer strikes were a reasonable probability, I'd look very carefully at Volvo. They specifically design for a "moose strike" test. As to driving dynamics, I don't like Audi because of the front weight bias as a legacy of their FWD history. Yes, electronics can make up for a lot of this, just as the 911's electronics can make up for the rear weight bias--but Porsche can put big rubber on the rear where Audi cannot do this on the front. I think this is why the electronics in an Audi cannot fully compensate for the weight bias in "normal" driving where the electronics aren't kicking in.

But, I'm a reservation holder for the new Audi e-Tron EV. No weight bias problem and when I cross shop it to the upcoming BMW equivalent, the iX3, I'm expecting a better interior. We already know what the exteriors look like and I prefer the e-Tron. Now, if the iX3 is $10K less, or has an attractive lease deal (we can be reasonably certain that the Audi lease deal won't be competitive, based on recent history), I'll reconsider. Both the e-Tron and the iX3 (and the upcoming i4) are based on current CE platforms will be transition cars leading to Audi's e-Tron GT and BMW's i-Next, so leasing is a more attractive prospect given the timing of my current leasing expiration dates.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by ted99

But, I'm a reservation holder for the new Audi e-Tron EV.

A very large leap of faith in electrical engineering competence for a company we observed couldn't make our 2016 A6 radio, comfort access door handle, or ATC system function correctly or transmission shift properly and then was not honest with us about brake rotor warpage. Either way, good luck. I'll never step foot in VW/Audi showrooms again.

[Transfer]

Originally Posted by upsidedownfunnel

If you don't care about the driving dynamics, then there's no reason not to go to Audi. Audi has better interiors and a better tech. It sounds like your primary concern is the tech, and interior. That's always going to be Audi's strong suit.

This. I've owned several Audi's and bimmers. The bimmers are always much more enjoyable to pilot while the Audi's are nicer to look at and sit in.

[wknddrivr]

Originally Posted by Transfer

This. I've owned several Audi's and bimmers. The bimmers are always much more enjoyable to pilot while the Audi's are nicer to look at and sit in.

That was the past. The current A4 has a disgusting interior with a cheap looking fake HVAC vent running across the entire dashboard. The G20 has a much more upscale, modern and coherent interior design. Aside from the awful Live Cockpit, BMW nailed it on the G20 interior.

[openwheelracing]

Originally Posted by ssquared

That was the past. The current A4 has a disgusting interior with a cheap looking fake HVAC vent running across the entire dashboard. The G20 has a much more upscale, modern and coherent interior design. Aside from the awful Live Cockpit, BMW nailed it on the G20 interior.

Well asthetics is subjective but Audi certainly has Rock solid build and switchgears that BMW can't match.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by openwheelracing

Well asthetics is subjective but Audi certainly has Rock solid build and switchgears that BMW can't match.

Please define “rock solid build”. Ours disproved any relationship to functional quality or freedom from interior squeaks.

[x986]

My '16 340 lease expired Feb. 28, so I went looking for a replacement a few months ago. I had to try three S5s to try the options I wanted, and I kept looking for this wonderful Audi interior and quality car; it wasn't a bad car, but did not drive as well as my 340. I have a toy car that will be daily driver for a few months, then I will look at the G20 340 and the Genesis G70. Sorry Audi, I just don't get what you're trying to say.

[LarrySinNJ]

Originally Posted by COBodom

The ONLY reason as to why I would pause and think twice about A4 (but not about Audi as a brand) is that you're walking away from one of the most beautiful BMW cars ever made, the 6 series, and you're putting yourself into a vanilla sedan. Presence on the road and the looks of that A4 will be slim to none compared to the 6 series. That's obviously your personal preference and may not matter to you at all.

Good luck on your choice !

Agree on walking away from a 6 series, that was a unicorn leasing situation that fell into my lap. I realize I won't be able to recreate that.

[Sherweeeny]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

Please define “rock solid build”. Ours disproved any relationship to functional quality or freedom from interior squeaks.

had our B8 from 2008 (so when it was first released) till 2018 and didnt have one actual issue with it bar a sensor and door lock. not one squeak either so it seems like you may have got a bit of a dud.

also, i genuinely reckon their dynamics are super impressive, even though theyre FWD based cars, they are super competent despite being not particularly exciting at the limit.

[M.Power]

You're going from a 6 series to an A4? lol.. And yes you will, the 6 series is leasing very well right now.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by Sherweeeny

had our B8 from 2008 (so when it was first released) till 2018 and didnt have one actual issue with it bar a sensor and door lock. not one squeak either so it seems like you may have got a bit of a dud.

I guess that is possible, or after 2008 through our 2016, they lost their way...perhaps transferred all the talented engineers to developing the emissions cheating program?

Actually, the final straw was the lack of integrity with which they handled the brake problem, the denial of warranty on a very new car, and then the tech telling me he was told to alter the repair order findings. They have simply lost the last drop of trust/faith I might have maintained if the only problems were just quality. Everyone can have quality problems, but not everyone handles it like Audi did. For the sake of the cost of a set of rotors and what the tech told me, I am "Never again Audi/VW". Buyer beware!