02-21-2019, 07:59 PM | #309 | |
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Model 3 has decent materials through out. The design is simple and sparse, but quality is there. You just have to look closer. The steering wheel is a perfect example. It is excellent but lacks all the BMW jazz. That M steering wheel in F30 is terrible in comparison. I had two of those. |
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Can I live without? Probably, but it would complete the interior imo. Considering Model 3 has WiFi capability, it can do wireless Carplay and Android Auto, if Tesla is willing. |
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02-21-2019, 08:37 PM | #311 | |
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What I am trying to say is, Tesla paint can be good cause I almost had a good one. It was a December.built. |
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02-22-2019, 08:27 AM | #312 | |
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I don't think we've had much, if any, criticism of the actual driving experience. I will stipulate to great performance, even not having driven one. When I saw the assembly quality of and sat in the car Tesla deemed good enough for our local showroom, how it drove no longer mattered to my purchase decision at that time, leading to my 330. I made somewhat of a leap of faith that the visible quality might reflect on their overall quality process, and bailed out, return deposit requested. The owner data now being reported supports that earlier prediction, notwithstanding how much they love driving it.
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02-22-2019, 08:39 AM | #313 | |
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Now is all of that somewhat subjective? Sure. But it's also a first hand account of what hopefully is an improvement on the new models off the line. Time will tell I suppose...
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If building a few hundred a week means mass produced, then sure. The initial goal for the Model 3 was 5000 per week...
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So CR has the weekly podcast out now. Survey is from 500 Model 3s. All the issues are not actually "reliability" issues. In fact, they stated powertrain is rock solid. Thier podcast is boring and geared for grandma's, but this one is worth a listen if you are thinking about Model 3.
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My wife wanted to look at the Model 3 and the only one they had available for test drive was the Performance model. I agree that the acceleration and handling is out of the this world even coming from my M3. The only thing I didn't like about the car was the doors and the seats. The door sounds hollow when closed and the seats felt almost like I was sitting on a bubble. haha. Would I get one. Not sure. I still prefer the look of the F80 M3 even though the Model 3 looks really good. The Model S as well. This will be my wife's car so she can decide what she wants. I got my M3 still
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The primary concern for people doing these surveys is figuring out if this is a good sample that properly represents the whole population. But that's unrelated to the size. |
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@95%, +/-4, pop 15500, n should be around 600. |
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02-22-2019, 12:47 PM | #325 |
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Good to keep a sense of humor about it! Of course, it doesn't work based on owner demands, and few if any, business decisions are premised on the differential in confidence level from 95% to 99%. I re-ran the significance tool using n=500 for your observation with the resulting margin of error/confidence interval. Bottom line, CR sample is robust, but doesn't address loving the car anyway due to high TGR.
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E.g. if survey participants do not include Q4 deliveries, then the population will be below 15500, and the sample size of 500 will become a lot more robust .... The magic of statistics! This comment from CR is spot on: “In most cases, reliability issues will undermine satisfaction,” Fisher adds. “But when a vehicle has an enthusiastic following, like with Tesla, owners may overlook some issues. We’ve seen this with other vehicles such as the Jeep Wrangler and Chevrolet Corvette.” |
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Someone posted this over at Jalopnik:
"Model 3 owner and previous Tesla fan here. This rating does not surprise me. I got my Model 3 (briefly) in October 2018. My car was delivered with major defects. Not cosmetic defects, either—the car was actually decent cosmetically—major functional defects. Defects like, broken turn signals ("known problem, bad batch of modules, needs replacement") and a major, intermittent computer failure that takes down the one-and-only-screen-with-all-the-instruments. Difficult to drive without those, so the car has less than 300 miles on it since October. My Model 3 has spent most of its life at a Tesla service center. Not only did the car leave the factory this way, an employee drove it to my house this way. He spent five minutes, reassured me if I found anything wrong I had three days to return the car for a full refund, and jumped into his Lyft to go pick up another car for delivery. I'm not surprised the car had some issues—I'd heard enough about the Model 3's growing pains. What really surprised me was how Tesla hasn't tried to make it right. Hours on hold, then troubleshooting over the phone with technicians (who were actually excellent), followed by promises for return calls and followup that never happened. I'm really tolerant when a new product has issues. As long as the company makes it right, and shows a commitment to taking care of me as a customer, all is forgiven. Tesla, on the other hand, can't be bothered. It's a crapshoot, where maybe you get a good one and all is well. If you don't, good luck. There's no one to turn to except Tesla (they sell direct, remember?) and unless you have an "in" with Elon, you're stuck with what you got. It's like complaining about a problem you have on a website—do you really expect a response? So, the most expensive car I've ever bought has been the worst new-car experience I've ever had. And that three day return policy? I asked to return the car on the first day, after I experienced these obvious, major issues. Tesla says: ...our return policy allows any customer who is unhappy with their car to return it for a full refund. ...but the policy doesn't mean much when they don't honor it. I'm still waiting. Buyer beware." https://jalopnik.com/consumer-report...ion-1832791379
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Tesla news is the best roller.coaster drama.
Now a German company conducted efficiency test between the old Model X against latest ETron and iPace. Tesla is 22% more efficient against the latest and greatest. It shows how well ahead Tesla is against the competition. |
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Dust under paint vs defective gasket. Not equal. One is reliable, the other is not.
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