[SamS]

Originally Posted by DML

What's so freakin hard about tightening up the damn steering wheel, hydraulic please. BTW will they ever learn and lower the car, maybe a half inch? Not greedy.

The future is all about semi-autonomous driving. And you can’t do that with hydraulic power steering.

[praxis218]

Originally Posted by SamS

The future is all about semi-autonomous driving. And you can’t do that with hydraulic power steering.

Or a 6MT for that matter.

[DML]

Originally Posted by SamS

The future is all about semi-autonomous driving. And you can’t do that with hydraulic power steering.

Self driving auto's will go down as epic failure, not particularly interested in what the masses desire to drive, BMW catering to this crowd is disappointing to say the least.

[ihbase]

Originally Posted by hans007

I wonder if its just some sort of EU vs US steering preference. For the F30 it seems like the US journalists complained the most about the steering by far.

I think there are two explanations for the smoke surrounding steering feedback and the bland new g20.

1. I believe that the g20 2.0 and 3.0 cars have different steering racks.
My understanding is that space constraints with the 3.0 motor require use of a rack the same as or similar to the f30 generation, and the feedback from that rack is inferior to the different rack used in the G20 2.0 cars.

2. Auto journalists, like all of us, are susceptible to persuasion. If the factory says the new model handles better and is stiffer than the prior model, they tend to print it without really looking for evidence of the claim.


I'm just guessing here. I have not driven a g20 generation car.

-Michael

[SamS]

Originally Posted by DML

Self driving auto's will go down as epic failure, not particularly interested in what the masses desire to drive, BMW catering to this crowd is disappointing to say the least.

Spoken by someone not in regular contact with the top decision makers at the big auto corporations.

[praxis218]

Originally Posted by DML

Self driving auto's will go down as epic failure, not particularly interested in what the masses desire to drive, BMW catering to this crowd is disappointing to say the least.

Self-driving tech is overblown for now. 20 years down the line things will be different. I think we're the last generation to get to drive themselves around. Same with enjoying internal combustion engines.

[clee1982]

Originally Posted by SamS

The future is all about semi-autonomous driving. And you can’t do that with hydraulic power steering.

you can still use electric steering with more feel (see Porsche), BMW just decide to tune it out more, guess it says how much the general BMW driver is NOT an enthusiast...

[DML]

Originally Posted by praxis218

Self-driving tech is overblown for now. 20 years down the line things will be different. I think we're the last generation to get to drive themselves around. Same with enjoying internal combustion engines.

Maybe I'll ride the bus.....

[DML]

Originally Posted by SamS

Spoken by someone not in regular contact with the top decision makers at the big auto corporations.

But you are Relax, we're discussing automobiles.

[ATPDK]

Originally Posted by praxis218

Evolving. Other companies are also copying the angel lights.

There are three tiers: base LED, adaptive LED, and adaptive LED w/ LaserLight.

The adaptive LED w/ LaserLight one has a decent DRL shape.

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Agree 100%!
Such a shame, they are not consistent with the ultimate characteristic.

BMW = kidney grills and angle eyes

[HighlandPete]

Originally Posted by clee1982

you can still use electric steering with more feel (see Porsche), BMW just decide to tune it out more, guess it says how much the general BMW driver is NOT an enthusiast...

Do customers want more steering feel? That is what I question. Some of what enthusiasts want in steering feel can also be viewed as negative interference. Many users don't want that daily driving.

[HighlandPete]

Originally Posted by DML

Self driving auto's will go down as epic failure, not particularly interested in what the masses desire to drive, BMW catering to this crowd is disappointing to say the least.

It is not just the future, but what users want and are buying into right now. Parking assist, reversing assist (or whatever it's called), and other driving aids like lane warning/correction, coasting/sail mode, predictive gearbox management, etc., all require EPS and AT as part of their function.

Why wouldn't BMW drivers want this stuff?

[530iDriver]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

Because they don't want to lose all the badge wh*res and grandmas buying up their cars. I always see F30s parked in handicapped spots...that used to be unimaginable for anything less than a 7-series.

Your stereotyping knows no bounds.

[530iDriver]

Originally Posted by clee1982

you can still use electric steering with more feel (see Porsche), BMW just decide to tune it out more, guess it says how much the general BMW driver is NOT an enthusiast...

Enthusiasts and Jalopnik commenters are an immense and tiny market minority.

[530iDriver]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

Unfortunately it looks like the G20, while improved from the abhorrent F30, still doesn't cut it for guys like us.

My mint E90 is still with me. Black on brown, always hand washed and detailed inside and out its entire life by me. It's a joy to drive.

I had a 2011 E90 328i great car but not perfect and had its issues. I enjoyed driving it but I am glad I moved on.

[HighlandPete]

Originally Posted by rjd598

what a 320d? lol

Yep. European work horse. Believe it or not, it's "the" 3-series for many folks.

[clee1982]

Originally Posted by HighlandPete

Do customers want more steering feel? That is what I question. Some of what enthusiasts want in steering feel can also be viewed as negative interference. Many users don't want that daily driving.

Per bmw definitely average user don't want more feel

[HighlandPete]

Originally Posted by clee1982

Per bmw definitely average user don't want more feel

Many of us are driving on such rubbish roads these days, there has to be compromise. Steering precision, yes, but damping out some of the negative steering feedback is seen as a positive.

[clee1982]

Originally Posted by HighlandPete

Many of us are driving on such rubbish roads these days, there has to be compromise. Steering precision, yes, but damping out some of the negative steering feedback is seen as a positive.

I don't doubt you, but my g30 5 series in comfort mode (guess it's purpose) is 0 feel, precise but 0 feel.

[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by Stage IV

king of the "compact" executive class....

My definition of compact differs. The E90 could fit this category but not the F30 and certainly not the G20 IMO.

So as they get lighter and faster they get less 'compact'?

Waight-wise G20<F30<E90

[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by clee1982

I don't doubt you, but my g30 5 series in comfort mode (guess it's purpose) is 0 feel, precise but 0 feel.

If G20 m340i has the exact feel of 540i with a little less weight and and size, it would be my favorite car ever, as I love 540i xdrive Msport that I have right now even more than my previous M Cars. It's so silky smooth and efortless and balanced... It also has a great road feel: never too harsh but never floaty like Benz. And even the engine sound is great both tonally and in terms of loudness. Damping, engine, balance are all right where they should be for me. It feels like I would love to buy all of my cars from whoever tuned this car. That's why this G20 MSport could be perfection.

[530iDriver]

Originally Posted by HighlandPete

Yep. European work horse. Believe it or not, it's "the" 3-series for many folks.

People on this side of the pond and that have never been outside of the geographical boundaries of the North American continent, have a hard time grasping the prohibitive costs of gasoline, high taxation and astronomical prices of new cars in other parts of the world.

We are spoiled with relatively "affordable" luxury cars and cheap fuel costs.

A lot of people on this forum look down on 320i owners and with all the customary name calling/stereotyping,but these same members would cringe to know that elsewhere are even cheaper diesel versions available and along side lower gasoline trims (316, 318 come to mind)...