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      09-11-2019, 12:52 PM   #771
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I'm torn. The rear and sides look spot on. I really like where they're going with the overall shape. It's just that grille. It doesn't seem 'right'. I admit it's less shocking to me compared to when I first saw it, but some of the photoshops I've seen with it shrunk down are massive improvements. They need to refine it before it goes into production for sure. If nothing else, blacked out it's slightly more bearable. Other than that, it gives me hope for the next M2. But to echo every other person on the Internet - BMW, fix the grilles!
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Add me into the group that won't buy any more new BMW's...that's a face a mother would have trouble loving.

Anyone else see Mustang in the side profile and the hood crease?
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      09-11-2019, 01:02 PM   #773
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Is the BMW designer all right?
I think they have gone mentally insane.
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      09-11-2019, 01:06 PM   #774
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Nothing wrong with a Kia Stinger. I drove that car before it was ever released to the public. It's not a bad offering. I was mostly poking at you.


https://forum.e46fanatics.com/showth...120235?page=13

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You have me mistaken with another. This is my first post related to the topic at hand.

My sentiment, however, is consistent across many threads.
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      09-11-2019, 01:08 PM   #775
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Although normally the dotted mesh grille should only be coming on the M Performance version(s) (M440i, M440d?), it might well come as standard across the whole range (bar the M4, likely), simply because the grille is just so large and might possibly look awkward with vertical slats. All prototypes that have been snapped so far seem to be wearing the mesh grille (except, again, the M4 prototypes which have horizontal M type double slats).

The new Z4 does come with the mesh grille even on the non-M Performance, non-M Sport, 20i version.



Yes, BMW has just launched huge grilles with vertical slats as well (LCI 7er, X7, X5 to an extent...), but those are status symbol models and/or SUVs and might well require the traditional chrome vertical slat design. The new coupés with large grilles though (4er, likely next 2er) might be getting a standard mesh grille across the board for a sportier look as standard.

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The emphasis above the wheels and window shape made me think Audi A5 immediately. Nothing about the side surfacing and silhouette says "BMW coupe" to me.

The grill is what it is - and I am not a fan (Sorry Sedan Clan, feel free to add me to your "lists"). The renders looked better but what we have here is just to prominent and upright to be cohesive with the rest of the design. Add in the overly-busy hood and squinty headlamps and that's a no for me dog. Hoping the final version comes out better.
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      09-11-2019, 01:20 PM   #777
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The emphasis above the wheels and window shape made me think Audi A5 immediately. Nothing about the side surfacing and silhouette says "BMW coupe" to me.

The grill is what it is - and I am not a fan (Sorry Sedan Clan, feel free to add me to your "lists"). The renders looked better but what we have here is just to prominent and upright to be cohesive with the rest of the design. Add in the overly-busy hood and squinty headlamps and that's a no for me dog. Hoping the final version comes out better.
My list wasn't about anything more than the fact that change was coming. Whether you like the design or not is an individual thing.

The new car does give off an A5 vibe, but isn't that somewhat of a good thing? The A5 is a pretty handsome car. I think BMW is late to the gaping-mouth-front-end party.
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      09-11-2019, 01:20 PM   #778
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How on hell would you think Chinese will like this plain ugly design???
The X7 is popular there.

But, you've got a point.

It's UGLY everywhere. It doesn't look beautiful or sporty in Chicago, China, Chalupa, or Cheshire.

What happened to BMW's fabulous designers and balance, like this!

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Compared to just about EVERY car in the WELT and the Munich Museum, this new 4 Coupe's front end is:

Ugly, Ungainly, Unsightly, Unflattering, UnBELIEVABLE.

Just :b arf:
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      09-11-2019, 01:24 PM   #779
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I'm in the minority here, but I like it. Hopefully the production model keeps the overall look and lines.
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Putting a smiley face after an insult does not make it any less of an insult. Just my observation.
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I love these 35 pages and I know I’m in the minority by liking the design BUT I love to read comments about people thinking a used e30, e36, e46, e90, etc will go up in value (unless it’s a NA M car). At no point would I pass on a new 510hp M3 for a 5yr old, old tech, dated design 444hp M3 because of a grille.
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At no point would I pass on a new 510hp M3 for a 5yr old, old tech, dated design 444hp M3 because of a grille.
The average customer, like you, might not. But BMW enthusiasts and fans will start seeking E46, E90 and F80 M3s to add to their collection. Switching to AWD ZF8 was bad enough, to put that in this exterior design is just appalling. Maybe they'll gain new average Audi and Lexus customers, but they'll surely lose enthusiasts to other brands such as Porsche, ford and Chevy.
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      09-11-2019, 01:38 PM   #783
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      09-11-2019, 02:02 PM   #784
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I'm not so good at photoshop but it is so much better with 8 series grille.

Didn't expect so much love! Thank you all I decided to make frontal view
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      09-11-2019, 02:06 PM   #785
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      09-11-2019, 02:12 PM   #786
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btw, Audi took a cue from BMW and the RS6 has the same front as the RS7 (or at least more in common with the RS7 than the regular A6/S6).
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Production version would perhaps less crazy front grills and would have to see what new M4 will looks like. It's nice color..but looks pretty much same as those Mazda CX-5 I see around.
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Damn all prior front ends look so dated now. Seeing them like this really highlights that it was time for a major change. At his current time and into the future no doubt I prefer the new concept.
I feel the same way. SCOTT26 alluded to this as well. It'll be interesting to see how many people register for the forum around the time that the new cars are made available to the public with threads titled, "New to BMW and I just picked up my new 4/M3/M4...." ...or, "Long time lurker, but I finally joined the family. Pics of my new 4/M3/M4."
I know many people will get it, but I went back to the concept f32 reveal and the forum was generally very positive. It was well received and BMW really pumped out the amazing f82. Really not sure if the g8x will do as well in the future.

https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=775876
I agree about the reception. That I cannot dispute, but people well above our respective pay grades obviously saw something in the stats. This is a major move by BMW; a move that wasn't whimsical (...which is another reason why comments about this concept being a ruse, a joke....or a ploy confound me). This isn't a game. This is a major automotive marquee that was used to smashing the completion for at least 10 years straight, only to witness Mercedes dominate them the last three years (...and thankfully the X SAV's and the new 7 have helped claw back some market share). That is not something this company is accustomed to. Something had to change.
Maybe they should start with building better cars. :

Most of their lineup sucks to be honest. I walk into dealerships now and just shake my head. My wife's X3 does the job buts it's not a great car. It's the baby car that my wife wanted.

Beaver grilles will NOT help BMW.
...and maybe BMW's previous approach was its own worst enemy.

I feel the same way that you do when I walk into a dealership now. Nothing is really that inspiring to me outside of the ///M3 and ///M4, and to a lesser degree, the ///M2C. Gone are the days where I liked nearly every model......but I'm only one buyer. I'm not sure where the chasm began, but somewhere, somehow BMW shifted into a phase of largely uninspiring designs. Even the new 3 is simply boring to me. This new 4 is striking; it is going to grab your attention for better or for worse (....of course most on this forum will say the latter). It will be a conversation piece. It will be aggressive. I don't love it, but I do have an appreciation for it.......more today than I did upon initially seeing the renders. The more I look at it, the more it starts to come together for me......and I've been looking at it intermittently all day. Maybe the designer(s) went through a similar process. Who knows!?! What I do know is that this car has buzz; people are talking, albeit somewhat negatively now, but I reckon that will change. It's bold, brash.....risky, but that's part of the allure. Some ask, "Why?!?, while others simply....just......look. It takes awhile to take it all in. I looked at my F82 tonight and felt like it aged overnight. For the first time ever it felt old. Don't misinterpret that as a criticism. I love it to death, but I would be remiss if I weren't honest when I relay my thoughts to this forum. I want to see the new 4/M4 in the flesh. I'll likely stare for a significant amount of time just as I did when I first saw a YSB F80 ///M3 while awaiting the arrival of mine back in 2014. Yas had me questioning the same way this new grill does. It didn't quite sit right with me initially, but I was drawn to it. Every photo or video captured it a bit differently. I drove all the way to San Diego just to stare at that YMB F80 for over an hour. Anyways, I'm teetering on tangentiality now.
I'm never going to come around to this new design language never. I agree with you that the new M340 is bland and whatever. I drove in one when I picked up my car at the Performance Center a few months back. Didn't do anything for me BUT I didn't hate it.

I HATE THIS. This isn't what drew me and many others to the brand that's for sure. So glad I grabbed one more F82 spec'ed exactly how I wanted. I think deep down I knew my "relationship" with BMW was coming to end at least for now.

Honestly can you guys see Joe Blow walking into a dealership and saying "boy what a beauty I need that car"? The answer is Hell no.

I started looking at baby convertible seats that fit in a 911 if that is any indication where I'm gonna be at in the near future. I'll put golf clubs in the front seat. Fuck it.
Actually I can see the average Joe/Jane buying this car. Many buyers want what is new/exciting. Many buyers want to be the first to have something. Put it in perspective; we have buyers willing to pay insane mark-ups just to be the first to have a popular car or truck (...be it a BMW, Ford Raptor, etc.)......and make no mistake about it, these new cars will pop up on this forum. People claiming they won't buy the car will buy the car.
So why wouldn't they buy an RS3 or RS7?

Sure, people want something new and exciting, but they also want something good looking.

This M3 is quickly going to gain a rep for being an ugly SOB. In the enthusiast community it already has.
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The overall body aesthetic is so... pedestrian. This looks like a fucking Infiniti!

The curves and the edges met with such purpose in previous BMW designs, this however seems like a rip off of Lexus and Infiniti. WTF. Meanwhile, the South Koreans at Kia are actually building interesting designs (Stinger!!)

I could have lived with the grilles actually, but every design cue here is to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

The Z4 and it's frog like front end was a give away that BMW was about to go full stupid; they have no design inspiration. And, behold.
Well said. BMW is supposed to be special but they're losing their touch.

This car is soulless and a haphazard attempt to fit in with the new wave. No regard for taste.
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Car companies has managed to push their never changing character less, no imagination, lazy design strategy into car buyers mind making them resist any new ideas. This crap has gone on since the 1980s when the car as equal part art and engineering was abandoned and replaced with a on all about function ethos were art and imaginative designs had no place.

Google cars from 1910, 1920 up to 1970 and marvel over the imaginative unique, sometime outrageous designs. A large grill now make people pee their pants and grab pitch forks, sad.
I admire BMWs risk taking, but the fact they didn't recognize how ugly this car is... it's honestly shocking
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