[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

He should have sued Musk to have Tesla hire some real automotive designers and redesign its ugly-ass line up.

Not even a fake grille could do wonders for the normal Tesla.

[Car-Addicted]

Case Over Musk Offer for Twitter Remains Open a Week After Deal Was Closed
The social media platform and its adversary turned owner have stipulated to dismissal of the Court of Chancery case Twitter filed in July, but Chancellor Kathaleen McCormick has indicated she won’t be dismissing the case while issues raised by two stockholders remain.
https://www.law.com/dailyreportonlin...20240102073455

In the real world this is what we call a conflict of interest. The same judge who ruled for Twitter even after there was proof of massive inflation of users is now the judge of Musk's compensation package.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

No we are taught a lesson on socialism. There is a contract with performance goals and compensation based on those goals that was met and surpassed. Musk funded this company in 2008 and was to be compensated on market cap. In the real world that is referred to as ROI. Is there a Musk in Russia, North Korea, China? Will there ever be another Musk in America with socialist judges making the rules? Is any one dumb enough to think this is not because Musk bought Twitter/X and doesn't toe the party line?

Q. Thank you. You’ve been the CEO of Tesla for how long, sir?
A. Well, officially, I suppose, since mid-2008. Effectively, I’ve been in charge of the company from the Series A round of April 2004.
Q. Prior to 2009, were you compensated for being the CEO of the company?
A. No. I don’t think so, no.
Q. Okay. Do you recall that in 2009, an option plan was put in place for your compensation?
A. Yes.
Q. And just in general terms, do you recall on what basis you would be awarded options under the 2009 plan?
A. That was, I think, half time-based vesting and half of milestone-based vesting, contingent on the Model S success.

Q. Was there any litigation over that plan, do you recall? Were you or the board sued over granting you that option plan?
A. No.
Q. Do you recall if there was any litigation, anybody sue you or the board, over granting you those ten increments of a half point each for $40 billion in market appreciation?
A. No.
https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/22/...ull-transcript

This should tell you all you need to know:
Elizabeth Warren
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Elon Musk took over @Twitter, but he's still the CEO of @Tesla. That raises legal concerns — is he creating conflicts of interest? Is he misappropriating company resources? Tesla is not Musk’s private plaything. I’ve got many questions for the Tesla Board.

One name: Sam Bankman-Fried

Congress should order him to compensate all that money to third world countries which his dream shot is robbing of resources and fanning slave labour.

[RM7]

Looks like a Grand Cherokee:
https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/artic...r-18643171.php

[gblansten]

Pretty devastating news for Tesla:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/02/busin...ize/index.html

This is a big deal. Front page right now on the Wall Street Journal site:
https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/t...d=hp_lead_pos1

Even I may not get another Tesla after this. It looks like they are increasing the font size on a warning by five percent. I have been driving this car all over with warnings that are slightly too small. When will the madness end? This affects 2.2 MILLION Tesla vehicles. We have all had our safety compromised.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by infinitekidM2C

on the plus side, ev's can help keep you warm and it is winter...

Fancy fireplace

[Car-Addicted]

Testing Suggests Highway Guardrails No Match for Heavy EVs
Jan 31, 2024
In research sponsored by the U.S. Army Engineer Research and Development Center, the University of Nebrask-Lincoln’s Midwest Roadside Safety Facility is investigating the safety and military defense questions raised by the burgeoning number of electric vehicles on the nation’s roadways.
A crash test performed on a guardrail on October 12, 2023 highlighted the concern. At 60 mph, the 7,000-plus-pound, 2022 Rivian R1T truck tore through a commonly used guardrail system with little reduction in speed.
The test crash was intended to see how guardrails, which line tens of thousands of miles of roads in the United States, would fare against EVs that weigh thousands of pounds more than an average gasoline-powered sedan.
Last year, the National Transportation Safety Board expressed concern about the safety risks heavy electric vehicles pose if they collide with lighter vehicles, adding yet another question mark to the viability of EVs for wider public usage.
A UK study led by the University of Leeds in 2023 found the average electric car puts 2.24 times more stress on roads than a similar petrol vehicle – and 1.95 more than a diesel. Larger electric vehicles can cause up to 2.32 times more damage to roads.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Testing Suggests Highway Guardrails No Match for Heavy EVs
Jan 31, 2024
In research sponsored by the U.S. Army Engineer Research and Development Center, the University of Nebrask-Lincoln’s Midwest Roadside Safety Facility is investigating the safety and military defense questions raised by the burgeoning number of electric vehicles on the nation’s roadways.
A crash test performed on a guardrail on October 12, 2023 highlighted the concern. At 60 mph, the 7,000-plus-pound, 2022 Rivian R1T truck tore through a commonly used guardrail system with little reduction in speed.
The test crash was intended to see how guardrails, which line tens of thousands of miles of roads in the United States, would fare against EVs that weigh thousands of pounds more than an average gasoline-powered sedan.
Last year, the National Transportation Safety Board expressed concern about the safety risks heavy electric vehicles pose if they collide with lighter vehicles, adding yet another question mark to the viability of EVs for wider public usage.
A UK study led by the University of Leeds in 2023 found the average electric car puts 2.24 times more stress on roads than a similar petrol vehicle – and 1.95 more than a diesel. Larger electric vehicles can cause up to 2.32 times more damage to roads.

This kind of makes me like my S Plaid even more. It is like having a Canyonero but not as physically large.

[eugenebmw]

EVs anxiety. Don't expect the charging stations you plan to go do work. This will not be the last time it happen

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by gblansten

This kind of makes me like my S Plaid even more. It is like having a Canyonero but not as physically large.

I knew EV's would get me one way or the other.

[eugenebmw]

Why Americans don’t want electric vehicles

https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-e...tric-vehicles/

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

EVs anxiety. Don't expect the charging stations you plan to go do work.

Looks like the only way around this is to have the charge cable part of the EV or drive a ICE car up to the filling station.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Looks like the only way around this is to have the charge cable part of the EV or drive a ICE car up to the filling station.

Cable not included !!!! Who is going to pay for the repair? EV users??

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

EVs anxiety. Don't expect the charging stations you plan to go do work. This will not be the last time it happen

I actually have 10,000 free Tesla supercharger miles. I have never even used a supercharger yet in a bit over a year. I have no point here. Just an observation.

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by gblansten

I actually have 10,000 free Tesla supercharger miles. I have never even used a supercharger yet in a bit over a year. I have no point here. Just an observation.

So if they give 10,000 mile of free charging but overestimate range by 25%, does that mean 7,500 mile of actual free charging?

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

So if they give 10,000 mile of free charging but overestimate range by 25%, does that mean 7,500 mile of actual free charging?

Could be

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Testing Suggests Highway Guardrails No Match for Heavy EVs
Jan 31, 2024
In research sponsored by the U.S. Army Engineer Research and Development Center, the University of Nebrask-Lincoln’s Midwest Roadside Safety Facility is investigating the safety and military defense questions raised by the burgeoning number of electric vehicles on the nation’s roadways.
A crash test performed on a guardrail on October 12, 2023 highlighted the concern. At 60 mph, the 7,000-plus-pound, 2022 Rivian R1T truck tore through a commonly used guardrail system with little reduction in speed.
The test crash was intended to see how guardrails, which line tens of thousands of miles of roads in the United States, would fare against EVs that weigh thousands of pounds more than an average gasoline-powered sedan.
Last year, the National Transportation Safety Board expressed concern about the safety risks heavy electric vehicles pose if they collide with lighter vehicles, adding yet another question mark to the viability of EVs for wider public usage.
A UK study led by the University of Leeds in 2023 found the average electric car puts 2.24 times more stress on roads than a similar petrol vehicle – and 1.95 more than a diesel. Larger electric vehicles can cause up to 2.32 times more damage to roads.

That Rivian held together pretty dang well IMO. Quite impressive.

[M5Rick]

[QUOTE=Car-Addicted;30870407]Testing Suggests Highway Guardrails No Match for Heavy EVs
Jan 31, 2024
In research sponsored by the U.S. Army Engineer Research and Development Center, the University of Nebrask-Lincoln’s Midwest Roadside Safety Facility is investigating the safety and military defense questions raised by the burgeoning number of electric vehicles on the nation’s roadways.
A crash test performed on a guardrail on October 12, 2023 highlighted the concern. At 60 mph, the 7,000-plus-pound, 2022 Rivian R1T truck tore through a commonly used guardrail system with little reduction in speed.
The test crash was intended to see how guardrails, which line tens of thousands of miles of roads in the United States, would fare against EVs that weigh thousands of pounds more than an average gasoline-powered sedan.
Last year, the National Transportation Safety Board expressed concern about the safety risks heavy electric vehicles pose if they collide with lighter vehicles, adding yet another question mark to the viability of EVs for wider public usage.
A UK study led by the University of Leeds in 2023 found the average electric car puts 2.24 times more stress on roads than a similar petrol vehicle – and 1.95 more than a diesel. Larger electric vehicles can cause up to 2.32 times more damage to roads.
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In other words an unwieldy death trap if they involve lighter fuel cars in their accidents.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

Cable not included !!!! Who is going to pay for the repair? EV users??

They chose EV's, let them pay.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Not even a fake grille could do wonders for the normal Tesla.

The original Model S in 2012 with the small grille wasn't bad. I forget what model year they brought the grille back, but out of all the current Tesla cars it is the most acceptable design in my view.

The Cybertruck is so friggin crazy over the top, I've grown to like it. But the Model 3 and Model Y and X all need a significant refresh along with the Model S. IMO of course.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

I figured you were going to have to break out the Pinto flaming gas tanks soon.

Having owned four Pintos in my lifetime, I'll take a Pinto over an EV any day regarding fire risk.

They are EMP proof.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

The original Model S in 2012 with the small grille wasn't bad. I forget what model year they brought the grille back, but out of all the current Tesla cars it is the most acceptable design in my view.

The Cybertruck is so friggin crazy over the top, I've grown to like it. But the Model 3 and Model Y and X all need a significant refresh along with the Model S. IMO of course.

I don't think the Cyber truck would even pass the BSI safety test over here with it's sharp edges or the yearly safety check.