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      02-03-2024, 09:40 AM   #6403
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I don't think the Cyber truck would even pass the BSI safety test over here with it's sharp edges or the yearly safety check.
I'm astounded* it's allowed on sale here in the US. Watch Jason Cammisa actually slice his hand open on the front corner or the Throttle House guys peel a carrot on the trailing edge of the door or chop carrots with the power frunk lid. I love a lot of the engineering innovation that went into the thing (no, I don't love the thing itself or want one – ever), but that's just nuts.

*: OK, so maybe "surprised, but not surprised, that the federal government allowed", given the ludicrously long leash on safety that seems to be afforded Tesla ("Full" "Self" Driving, warning lights, wompy wheel, power steering, ...).
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Having owned four Pintos in my lifetime, I'll take a Pinto over an EV any day regarding fire risk.
They are EMP proof.
I figured you would chime in on that.

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      02-04-2024, 11:32 AM   #6405
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I'm astounded* it's allowed on sale here in the US. Watch Jason Cammisa actually slice his hand open on the front corner or the Throttle House guys peel a carrot on the trailing edge of the door or chop carrots with the power frunk lid. I love a lot of the engineering innovation that went into the thing (no, I don't love the thing itself or want one – ever), but that's just nuts.

*: OK, so maybe "surprised, but not surprised, that the federal government allowed", given the ludicrously long leash on safety that seems to be afforded Tesla ("Full" "Self" Driving, warning lights, wompy wheel, power steering, ...).
When i first saw it I could't believe it myself.
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New Jersey has made it illegal to discard EV batteries in landfills
February 1, 2024
New Jersey officially passed an extended producer responsibility (EPR) law last month that makes the disposal of EV batteries in landfills illegal in the state. The Electric and Hybrid Vehicle Battery Management Act requires battery manufacturers to create an alternative procedure to reuse and recycle as much of the discarded EV battery as possible.
The new law affects any company that sells EV batteries in the state. It includes vehicle and/or battery manufacturers, importers, and brand or trademark licensees.
The legislation itself is rolling out between 2025 and 2027. All EV battery producers are required to register with the DEP by January 2025, with the full force of the law officially taking hold in January 2027.
https://www.greenbiz.com/article/new...ries-landfills

Sounds like a chicken egg situation. Let's mandate something that doesn't exist yet. Still no commercial viable Black Mass recycling but nothing to see here, move along.

Battery recycling tech aims for fully domestic production

February 1, 2024
“The best way to look at it is as you put the shredded material and cathode powder and black mass in, what the equipment will do is keep all the critical materials, in the format we really want it, in a protective bubble and remove all the material around it,” Hayward said.
https://resource-recycling.com/e-scr...ic-production/
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S Korean black mass payables hold firm in January, EU market weakens further
February 1, 2024
“Demand for raw materials remained low, so the trading of black mass in the past week has been limited. We are only operating at 50% capacity due to thin margins,” a second Korean buying source told Fastmarkets.
“You can see what’s happening in the primary nickel, cobalt and lithium markets – everything is oversupplied. And black mass is no different. We’re therefore seeing a massive slowdown in activity,” a European trading source said during the month.
The value of lithium being paid in black mass in the CIF Korea and Asian markets continued to drop in January. Trading sources said the value of lithium was “almost non-existent” amid poor demand for lithium carbonate in key Asian markets.
https://www.fastmarkets.com/insights...akens-further/

Bottom line is the energy required to refine Black Mass is greater than the value of the products. Anyone think China give a crap about recycling
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S Korean black mass payables hold firm in January, EU market weakens further
February 1, 2024
“Demand for raw materials remained low, so the trading of black mass in the past week has been limited. We are only operating at 50% capacity due to thin margins,” a second Korean buying source told Fastmarkets.
“You can see what’s happening in the primary nickel, cobalt and lithium markets – everything is oversupplied. And black mass is no different. We’re therefore seeing a massive slowdown in activity,” a European trading source said during the month.
The value of lithium being paid in black mass in the CIF Korea and Asian markets continued to drop in January. Trading sources said the value of lithium was “almost non-existent” amid poor demand for lithium carbonate in key Asian markets.
https://www.fastmarkets.com/insights...akens-further/

Bottom line is the energy required to refine Black Mass is greater than the value of the products. Anyone think China give a crap about recycling
We all know the answer to that.
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Tyres wearing out quicker on EV cars costing more than conventional ones, expensive and possibly complicated servicing when needed..if you can get an appointment soon, range anxiety and no sound danger to pedestrians (as I mentioned before) are just a fraction of the worries.
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Tyres wearing out quicker on EV cars costing more than conventional ones, expensive and possibly complicated servicing when needed..if you can get an appointment soon, range anxiety and no sound danger to pedestrians (as I mentioned before) are just a fraction of the worries.
Whatabout nuts?
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Whatabout nuts?
We have a almost limitless supply of nuts to buy these EV's but we do have a limited supply of tax payer money to be fleeced to pay for them.
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      02-05-2024, 11:46 AM   #6412
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If you are an EV owner, you better keep/drive the car until it drop. There is no second hand market value on any EVs.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brookec...h=2e59cd814b27
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I don't think the Cyber truck would even pass the BSI safety test over here with it's sharp edges or the yearly safety check.
Most efficient way to save our planet would be to get rid of corrupt politicians. Can we get a button to enable that feature?🤔 Fire in the hole !!!
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      02-05-2024, 01:06 PM   #6414
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If you are an EV owner, you better keep/drive the car until it drop. There is no second hand market value on any EVs.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brookec...h=2e59cd814b27
The first comment makes a good point; your thoughts?

“There's one major flaw in this article that the author overlooked. The author says that Carmax offered him $14 Gs for his car which has 20,000 miles on it and he claimed to pay $32,000 new. He forgot to mention that he did not pay the full sticker price for the car since he did not subtract the state and federal rebates/credits. For example, if I had purchased the Chevy Bolt at $32,000 in California it would have cost me almost half of what he claims to have paid ($17,000, not $32,000). California (CVRP) gave me a $7,500 rebate and the Feds gave me a $7,500 tax credit when I purchased my Ford Mach e. In my case, Ford threw in an additional $2,000 rebate. So the Bolts' net cost would have been $17,000 plus tax/license, If sold to Carmax after 4 years for $14,000 he would have a net loss of $3 Gs after 4 years but I'm pretty sure he could sell it for more since it has a new battery. Not too many cars out there that you can drive for 4 years and have a net loss of only $4 Gs!”
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BMW moving toward hydrogen cars and away from EV's.

https://kleanindustries.com/resource...rogen-engines/
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The first comment makes a good point; your thoughts?

“There's one major flaw in this article that the author overlooked. The author says that Carmax offered him $14 Gs for his car which has 20,000 miles on it and he claimed to pay $32,000 new. He forgot to mention that he did not pay the full sticker price for the car since he did not subtract the state and federal rebates/credits. For example, if I had purchased the Chevy Bolt at $32,000 in California it would have cost me almost half of what he claims to have paid ($17,000, not $32,000). California (CVRP) gave me a $7,500 rebate and the Feds gave me a $7,500 tax credit when I purchased my Ford Mach e. In my case, Ford threw in an additional $2,000 rebate. So the Bolts' net cost would have been $17,000 plus tax/license, If sold to Carmax after 4 years for $14,000 he would have a net loss of $3 Gs after 4 years but I'm pretty sure he could sell it for more since it has a new battery. Not too many cars out there that you can drive for 4 years and have a net loss of only $4 Gs!”
Lucky to be in California. In Vancouver Canada, you get almost nothing from the gov.
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Lucky to be in California. In Vancouver Canada, you get almost nothing from the gov.
Did Canada never offer these type of incentives? Not a Canadian.
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Did Canada never offer these type of incentives? Not a Canadian.
When EV's were first being pushed by the liberal government in Ontario they were giving rebates of $15K. When that government got defeated the conservative government cancelled the rebates. Now the federal liberals give a rebate but it's a complicated formula and the rebates aren't very big.
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Did Canada never offer these type of incentives? Not a Canadian.
I have no clue although I am a Canadian. All I know is my gov screw us left, right and center.
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Electric Car Fires low Emissions Vehicles?
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The best BMW EV in the market. It is like one of a kind
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5 of China’s 91 EV makers go bankrupt with 1 losing $17 million per car sold
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Electric van maker once valued at £10bn collapses into administration
A British electric van maker once valued at $13bn (£10bn) has gone into administration after burning through $1.5bn without having sold a vehicle.
Oxfordshire-based Arrival has appointed administrators at EY to find a buyer for the business, blaming “challenging market and macroeconomic conditions”.


Arrival secured hundreds of millions of investment from the likes of BlackRock, BNP Paribas and Hyundai before going public. Denis Sverdlov, a Russian businessman who founded the company, stepped down as chief executive in 2022.
The company last year switched its plans to manufacturing in America in an attempt to benefit from Bozo administration subsidies, although production never began.
The company had more than $300m in debt as of last June.
A series of other electric vehicle companies that pursued high-stakes US listings during a market boom in 2020 and 2021, such as Lordstown Motors and Nikola, have also struggled.

In a completely unrelated story
The Founder Of Electric Vehicle Maker Arrival Is Worth $10.6 Billion After SPAC IPO
Arrival CFO Tim Holbrow told investors last year that he expects Arrival to generate $14 billion in revenue by 2024. Tesla, with a market capitalization of over $600 billion, posted revenues of $31 billion for 2020.
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The Green Grift rolls on. Tax payers and investors stripped of their money. Must be profitable to have no ethics or morals.
Hell will need to open up a Global Warming and EV wing to house all these thieves.
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