Bimmerpost
3
/
4 Series
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
BIMMERPOST Universal Forums General Automotive (non-BMW) Talk + Photos/Videos Still want an EV? (NO POLITICS)

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      07-02-2024, 05:48 AM   #8603
Car-Addicted
Colonel
Car-Addicted's Avatar
United_States
8225
Rep
2,377
Posts

Drives: 2020 BMW M4 CS
Join Date: Jun 2023
Location: Central PA

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2020 BMW M4 CS  [9.91]
EVs still have major quality problems, and it’s mostly about the software
Jun 28, 2024
JD Power’s latest quality study is out, and it’s not looking good for EVs. And in some ways, it’s not a surprise. Like in past versions of the survey, battery-electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles performed worse than their gas equivalents in just about every repair category measured by JD Power.
JD Power measures quality based on reported problems per 100 vehicles of a particular brand. According to the survey, people who own internal combustion vehicles reported having 180 problems per 100 vehicles (PP100), while EV buyers have 266 PP100.
“Owners of cutting edge, tech-filled BEVs and PHEVs are experiencing problems that are of a severity level high enough for them to take their new vehicle into the dealership at a rate three times higher than that of gas-powered vehicle owners,” Frank Hanley, senior director of auto bench marking at JD Power, said in a statement.



But most of the grousing seems to be about tech, a major concern given that the auto industry is haphazardly racing to cram as much software into their models as possible. JD Power has logged this problem before, and it seems to be exacerbating.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/28/2...ctric-vehicles

Until consumers concentrate on reliability, value and dependability and not innovation this trend will continue. It's a car not a video game or an extension of your phone. The ICE folks don't have anything to be proud of in these numbers. Like being the skinny kid at fat camp.
Appreciate 1
M5Rick67199.00
      07-02-2024, 05:55 AM   #8604
gonzo
Lieutenant General
gonzo's Avatar
United_States
10314
Rep
14,442
Posts

Drives: as many as possible
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: TeXXXas

iTrader: (0)

Not an Audi guy but that position is surprising. I guess so is Chevrolet.
__________________
Crazy Diamond
Appreciate 0
      07-02-2024, 09:27 AM   #8605
Car-Addicted
Colonel
Car-Addicted's Avatar
United_States
8225
Rep
2,377
Posts

Drives: 2020 BMW M4 CS
Join Date: Jun 2023
Location: Central PA

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2020 BMW M4 CS  [9.91]
Three out of four EV charging developers say they can’t get enough electricity for their stations
June 30, 2024
Of the 211 developers surveyed by Xendee, a California-based software company, 75% said that electric grid limitations are among the biggest roadblock to building EV charging infrastructure. The total cost of the infrastructure was a problem for 63% of the respondents, and permitting delays were cited by 53% of those surveyed.
Many of Xendee’s clients, according to Utility Dive, have resorted to installing gas- or diesel- powered generators to run their charging stations.
https://justthenews.com/politics-pol...gh-electricity

“The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.”
― Ronald Reagan
Appreciate 2
eugenebmw2065.00
M5Rick67199.00
      07-02-2024, 09:30 AM   #8606
tturedraider
Major General
tturedraider's Avatar
United_States
5569
Rep
6,552
Posts

Drives: 2018 340i M Sport
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Chicago, Edgewater (via Texas & Tennessee)

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by gblansten View Post
Does this accident have an effect on EV policy or Tesla? If I posted a picture of the aftermath of a single car Porsche 911 crash would we need to change ICE industry policy or governmental policy?
I think it’s clear from the first sentence it’s just an informational little news story post. No overarching comments were made.
__________________
https://youtu.be/-ay-8p2p29w
www.bmwcca.org
member #388003 - Use me as a referral
& you could win a one day ///M Driving School!!

___________________________________________
Appreciate 1
      07-02-2024, 09:33 AM   #8607
tturedraider
Major General
tturedraider's Avatar
United_States
5569
Rep
6,552
Posts

Drives: 2018 340i M Sport
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Chicago, Edgewater (via Texas & Tennessee)

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by Car-Addicted View Post
EVs still have major quality problems, and it’s mostly about the software
Jun 28, 2024
JD Power’s latest quality study is out, and it’s not looking good for EVs. And in some ways, it’s not a surprise. Like in past versions of the survey, battery-electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles performed worse than their gas equivalents in just about every repair category measured by JD Power.
JD Power measures quality based on reported problems per 100 vehicles of a particular brand. According to the survey, people who own internal combustion vehicles reported having 180 problems per 100 vehicles (PP100), while EV buyers have 266 PP100.
“Owners of cutting edge, tech-filled BEVs and PHEVs are experiencing problems that are of a severity level high enough for them to take their new vehicle into the dealership at a rate three times higher than that of gas-powered vehicle owners,” Frank Hanley, senior director of auto bench marking at JD Power, said in a statement.



But most of the grousing seems to be about tech, a major concern given that the auto industry is haphazardly racing to cram as much software into their models as possible. JD Power has logged this problem before, and it seems to be exacerbating.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/28/2...ctric-vehicles

Until consumers concentrate on reliability, value and dependability and not innovation this trend will continue. It's a car not a video game or an extension of your phone. The ICE folks don't have anything to be proud of in these numbers. Like being the skinny kid at fat camp.
Just off the top of my head it seems BMW has moved down quite a bit from where they have been lately. Am I wrong? Could it be due to problems with their EV fleet? I don’t know. I’m just wondering out loud.
__________________
https://youtu.be/-ay-8p2p29w
www.bmwcca.org
member #388003 - Use me as a referral
& you could win a one day ///M Driving School!!

___________________________________________
Appreciate 4
eugenebmw2065.00
Efthreeoh18870.50
M5Rick67199.00
      07-02-2024, 09:44 AM   #8608
Car-Addicted
Colonel
Car-Addicted's Avatar
United_States
8225
Rep
2,377
Posts

Drives: 2020 BMW M4 CS
Join Date: Jun 2023
Location: Central PA

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2020 BMW M4 CS  [9.91]
Quote:
Originally Posted by tturedraider View Post
Just off the top of my head it seems BMW has moved down quite a bit from where they have been lately. Am I wrong? Could it be due to problems with their EV fleet? I don’t know. I’m just wondering out loud.
I looked at this for a while and the only conclusion I could come up with is reliability is more related to corporate direction. Dodge has almost no EV exposure but they obviously suck at keeping their customers happy?
Kia has a significant mix of EV's vs ICE but they are doing arguably better?
Appreciate 1
Efthreeoh18870.50
      07-02-2024, 11:48 AM   #8609
gblansten
Brigadier General
gblansten's Avatar
2421
Rep
4,511
Posts

Drives: 23 Tesla S Plaid
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Thick ascending limb

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by tturedraider View Post
I think it’s clear from the first sentence it’s just an informational little news story post. No overarching comments were made.
True. Here is a sad one that involved a Ford Edge:

https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/lo...c-a808d7cd9f5e
Appreciate 1
      07-02-2024, 12:38 PM   #8610
tturedraider
Major General
tturedraider's Avatar
United_States
5569
Rep
6,552
Posts

Drives: 2018 340i M Sport
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Chicago, Edgewater (via Texas & Tennessee)

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by gblansten View Post
True. Here is a sad one that involved a Ford Edge:

https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/lo...c-a808d7cd9f5e
One of the weaknesses of having a jury of your peers is that the vast majority of them have done something similar to this at some point and have the attitude of “there but for the grace of God there go I” and they only hand down a slap on the wrist. If I’m ever the victim in a situation similar to this I’m going to push for a jury filled with teetotalers.
__________________
https://youtu.be/-ay-8p2p29w
www.bmwcca.org
member #388003 - Use me as a referral
& you could win a one day ///M Driving School!!

___________________________________________
Appreciate 1
gblansten2420.50
      07-02-2024, 12:44 PM   #8611
gblansten
Brigadier General
gblansten's Avatar
2421
Rep
4,511
Posts

Drives: 23 Tesla S Plaid
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Thick ascending limb

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by tturedraider View Post
One of the weaknesses of having a jury of your peers is that the vast majority of them have done something similar to this at some point and have the attitude of “there but for the grace of God there go I” and they only hand down a slap on the wrist. If I’m ever the victim in a situation similar to this I’m going to push for a jury filled with teetotalers.
If we get full self driving then hopefully accident rates will drop tremendously.
Appreciate 1
KevinGS4147.00
      07-02-2024, 02:10 PM   #8612
tturedraider
Major General
tturedraider's Avatar
United_States
5569
Rep
6,552
Posts

Drives: 2018 340i M Sport
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Chicago, Edgewater (via Texas & Tennessee)

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by gblansten View Post
If we get full self driving then hopefully accident rates will drop tremendously.
It won’t matter, because I will shoot my self first.
__________________
https://youtu.be/-ay-8p2p29w
www.bmwcca.org
member #388003 - Use me as a referral
& you could win a one day ///M Driving School!!

___________________________________________
Appreciate 4
eugenebmw2065.00
Efthreeoh18870.50
M5Rick67199.00
      07-02-2024, 02:35 PM   #8613
gblansten
Brigadier General
gblansten's Avatar
2421
Rep
4,511
Posts

Drives: 23 Tesla S Plaid
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Thick ascending limb

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by tturedraider View Post
It won’t matter, because I will shoot my self first.
Depending on what gets struck by the projectile you might wind up needing full self driving.
Appreciate 0
      07-02-2024, 05:32 PM   #8614
Car-Addicted
Colonel
Car-Addicted's Avatar
United_States
8225
Rep
2,377
Posts

Drives: 2020 BMW M4 CS
Join Date: Jun 2023
Location: Central PA

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2020 BMW M4 CS  [9.91]
Quote:
Originally Posted by gblansten View Post
If we get full self driving then hopefully accident rates will drop tremendously.
Drinking too much cool-aid can be hazardous to your heath.
Appreciate 1
Efthreeoh18870.50
      07-02-2024, 05:44 PM   #8615
gblansten
Brigadier General
gblansten's Avatar
2421
Rep
4,511
Posts

Drives: 23 Tesla S Plaid
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Thick ascending limb

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Car-Addicted View Post
Drinking too much cool-aid can be hazardous to your heath.
Completely agree with that. We have come a long way since the original DARPA self driving challenge and I remain optimistic that this tech will continue to improve.
Appreciate 0
      07-02-2024, 05:57 PM   #8616
eugenebmw
Captain
eugenebmw's Avatar
2065
Rep
656
Posts

Drives: G15 M850i G82 M4, G22 M440
Join Date: Aug 2023
Location: Vancouver

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Condorll View Post
I rented a Hertz Model Y in Austin, TX last year. It was 95 degrees (day). Charge was 83% out, 67% in. Used 16% charge to drive only 19 miles. You can calculate the range from that using 80% to 20%, not so good.
You suppose to not using the a/c and close all the windows to provide the best aerodynamics
Appreciate 1
M5Rick67199.00
      07-02-2024, 06:13 PM   #8617
Car-Addicted
Colonel
Car-Addicted's Avatar
United_States
8225
Rep
2,377
Posts

Drives: 2020 BMW M4 CS
Join Date: Jun 2023
Location: Central PA

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2020 BMW M4 CS  [9.91]
And now the rest of the story!
BMW Doesn't Want Cars Burned In Car Carrier To Go Up For Sale
07/02/2024
The car carrier MV Fremantle Highway went up in flames in the North Sea last year, consuming thousands of brand new Mercedes, BMWs and Minis. Some of the cars on board were in good enough condition to be salvaged, reconditioned and sold, but BMW doesn’t seem to want anyone to buy those cars.
Surprisingly, around a quarter of the 3,857 cars aboard were described as undamaged in Maritime Executive. A quarter of their number—260 BMWs to be precise—would be sold off by a Taiwanese insurance company, and their buyer would then resell the lot to a group of Dutch speculators according to The Northern Times. The Dutch group reportedly claims the cars are in good condition, having only gathered soot in the fire, and seeks to resell the salvaged vehicles. But BMW is having none of it.
The automaker reportedly filed a preliminary injunction in Dutch courts last December, claiming concerns over the cars’ safety and the risk of reputational damage if the cars are allowed to be sold. A company lawyer reportedly said that the cars were written off by insurance as a “total loss” and that they have damaged structural metal, wiring, and paint. They also reportedly claim that other intact vehicles salvaged from the ship, notably Audis and Mercedes-Benzes, were recycled rather than resold due to their condition.
https://jalopnik.com/bmw-doesnt-want...for-1851573058
Appreciate 2
eugenebmw2065.00
M5Rick67199.00
      07-02-2024, 06:37 PM   #8618
Car-Addicted
Colonel
Car-Addicted's Avatar
United_States
8225
Rep
2,377
Posts

Drives: 2020 BMW M4 CS
Join Date: Jun 2023
Location: Central PA

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2020 BMW M4 CS  [9.91]
Firefighters Battle an Amazon Rivian Delivery Van Blaze Before it Explodes Intense EV Battery Fire!

Appreciate 2
eugenebmw2065.00
M5Rick67199.00
      07-03-2024, 03:57 AM   #8619
Efthreeoh
General
United_States
18871
Rep
19,528
Posts

Drives: The E90 + Z4 Coupe & Z3 R'ster
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Virginia

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Car-Addicted View Post
Firefighters Battle an Amazon Rivian Delivery Van Blaze Before it Explodes Intense EV Battery Fire!

So, THAT'S what happened to my bird food last week! 🤣🤣🤣
Appreciate 3
eugenebmw2065.00
M5Rick67199.00
      07-03-2024, 05:27 AM   #8620
Car-Addicted
Colonel
Car-Addicted's Avatar
United_States
8225
Rep
2,377
Posts

Drives: 2020 BMW M4 CS
Join Date: Jun 2023
Location: Central PA

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2020 BMW M4 CS  [9.91]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Efthreeoh View Post
So, THAT'S what happened to my bird food last week! 🤣🤣🤣
I hear baked bird food with a side of toxic fluoride gas is in these days.
Appreciate 3
Efthreeoh18870.50
eugenebmw2065.00
M5Rick67199.00
      07-04-2024, 07:54 AM   #8621
Efthreeoh
General
United_States
18871
Rep
19,528
Posts

Drives: The E90 + Z4 Coupe & Z3 R'ster
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Virginia

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Car-Addicted View Post
I hear baked bird food with a side of toxic fluoride gas is in these days.
It was liquid Hummingbird food, but enough that it should have extinguished the fire on the onset.

I have so many effing Hummingbirds I'm going broke.
__________________
A manual transmission can be set to "comfort", "sport", and "track" modes simply by the technique and speed at which you shift it; it doesn't need "modes", modes are for manumatics that try to behave like a real 3-pedal manual transmission. If you can money-shift it, it's a manual transmission. "Yeah, but NO ONE puts an automatic trans shift knob on a manual transmission."
Appreciate 2
eugenebmw2065.00
      07-04-2024, 08:09 AM   #8622
Efthreeoh
General
United_States
18871
Rep
19,528
Posts

Drives: The E90 + Z4 Coupe & Z3 R'ster
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Virginia

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by gonzo View Post
Not an Audi guy but that position is surprising. I guess so is Chevrolet.
I gotta go with Ford. Considering the reputation Ford has gained in the past recent years with recalls (and the publicity with Bronco's hard top), it being in between Lexus and Honda, WOW!
__________________
A manual transmission can be set to "comfort", "sport", and "track" modes simply by the technique and speed at which you shift it; it doesn't need "modes", modes are for manumatics that try to behave like a real 3-pedal manual transmission. If you can money-shift it, it's a manual transmission. "Yeah, but NO ONE puts an automatic trans shift knob on a manual transmission."
Appreciate 0
      07-04-2024, 08:26 AM   #8623
Efthreeoh
General
United_States
18871
Rep
19,528
Posts

Drives: The E90 + Z4 Coupe & Z3 R'ster
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Virginia

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by gblansten View Post
Completely agree with that. We have come a long way since the original DARPA self driving challenge and I remain optimistic that this tech will continue to improve.
The best thing I saw the DOT do was a "safety car" in the late 1970's where the front structure (fender wells) were injected with energy-absorbing polystyrene foam. IIRC it was a Pinto (yeah, I know...), maybe a Vega, that the DOT crashed into a Cadillac (head-on collision). The slow-motion replay of the crash showed the foam-filled car crumple up then spring back to shape as the energy dissipated from the foam.

I Googled it and can't find any reference to it.
__________________
A manual transmission can be set to "comfort", "sport", and "track" modes simply by the technique and speed at which you shift it; it doesn't need "modes", modes are for manumatics that try to behave like a real 3-pedal manual transmission. If you can money-shift it, it's a manual transmission. "Yeah, but NO ONE puts an automatic trans shift knob on a manual transmission."
Appreciate 0
      07-04-2024, 10:18 AM   #8624
M5Rick
General
M5Rick's Avatar
67199
Rep
21,708
Posts

Drives: M5 F10 DCT Gunmetal
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: GB

iTrader: (0)

It's vot ing day today and I'm not going for the ones with the guilty conscience who didn't mention what they would do to curb the war on the motorist, there's only one for me and it ain't red or blue.
Appreciate 1
eugenebmw2065.00
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:35 AM.




g20
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST