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Both parties suck and the same for anyone that blindly follows them and goes along with them no matter what. This hardline party thinking has worked out so well in history. Blame everything on someone else, the other party, etc. Sad. |
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To be fair, some words that aren't exactly complimentary are being used. While not attached to members directly, the connotations are there. I've used grift a few times, which it is and grifters are littered in the movement. J Kerry I'm looking at you and your giant buffalo head. Peace
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NTSB says electric bus fire in Hamden was caused by battery damage
Mar 29, 2024 In a new report released on March 4, the safety agency said the probable cause was moisture in the high voltage lithium-ion battery system, which resulted in battery damage and subsequent fire. The Connecticut Department of Transportation bus was unoccupied at the time it start smoking. It had been out of service for two days due to an error in the charging system, the NTSB report said. At the time, officials said the fire was difficult to extinguish due to the thermal chemical process that produces great heat and continually reignites. Firemen had to use “copious” amounts of water to extinguish the flames, according to Assistant Fire Chief Jeffrey Naples in 2022. Later that morning, the bus started showing smoke again and fire was seen coming from the rear of the bus. Fire crews returned and the incident commander made a decision to let the bus burn in the controlled environment. For several hours, the bus was fully involved. The NTSB said it continued to smolder in the isolated parking lot, and two days later, fire crews responded again to apply water to the smoking battery compartment. |
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In a sane world with a sane government I will always defend the existence of EV's but I will Never accept my tax dollars in pursuit of Electric heavy vehicles. This is the epitome of stupid. |
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I found this article referencing the economics: "Economic Considerations: Cost and Savings While the initial upfront cost of electric buses remains a hurdle, a closer examination reveals a promising economic case for their adoption. While electric buses are currently priced higher than their fossil-fuelled counterparts, they offer long-term financial benefits that offset the initial investment. Comparatively, a diesel transit bus comes with an average price tag of $500,000, while an electric bus costs around $750,000. Similarly, diesel school buses are priced at approximately $110,000, while electric school buses are valued at around $230,000. Despite the apparent cost disparity, the total cost of ownership over the vehicle's lifetime tells a different story. The Economic Advantage of Electric buses Over the course of its lifespan, an electric bus can lead to substantial savings. According to data from New Flyer, a prominent bus manufacturer, an electric bus could save $400,000 in fuel expenses and averted maintenance costs of $125,000. This is a result of their energy efficiency and reduced need for maintenance compared to traditional buses. Proterra, another leading bus manufacturer, estimates that electric buses can yield annual fuel and maintenance savings of up to $50,000 when compared to fossil fuel-powered buses. Such savings could potentially lead to a payback period of around five years. These cost advantages stem from the simpler design of electric buses – they have fewer parts, no exhaust system, longer-lasting braking systems, and no need for oil changes." https://venair.com/en/blog/articles/...onengine-buses The cost of these buses does not appear to cost ten times that of an ICE bus. Astronomical and criminal costs seem difficult to quantify and would thus not be helpful in making policy decisions. It would be better to rely on things that could be quantified. I, personally, am NOT an expert on economics so it will be interesting to look at the dispassionate reviews of the economics of EV buses by those with this skillset. |
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You need to hire bodyguards to protect you. No all public charging stations are safe from dusk to dawn when you have to spend hours there.
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Austin's shift to electric buses is plagued by vehicle glitches and supplier bankruptcy "The reliability of electric buses no matter the manufacturer is less than a diesel bus. I'm not going to tell you they operate as well as diesel bus," CapMetro chief operating officer Andrew Skabowski told KUT. "We're going to see some vehicles that are down a little bit longer than a diesel bus." But other transit agencies single out Proterra's buses as being especially unreliable. Attorneys representing Broward County, Florida say the first batch of Proterra's electric buses averaged 600 miles between failures. The second batch improved that average to 1,800 miles. But that was still far behind the county's aging fleet of diesel buses, which travel an average of 4,500 miles between failures. Attorneys for the Santa Clara Valley Transportation Authority say the transit agency was forced to remove all 10 of its Proterra buses from service because they "continue to be plagued with problems." In one incident, a bus caught fire in a maintenance facility. Workers pushed the burning bus outside to prevent the building from catching fire. Some employees were treated for smoke inhalation. The city of Edmonton, Canada said in a filing that at times more than half the buses are out of service for non-routine maintenance. The northern city claims it had to spend more than $1.3 million fixing the buses, including $206,000 for heated blankets to keep batteries warm so they maintain their range in the city's blistering cold winters. https://www.kut.org/transportation/2...rra-bankruptcy It looks like the cost for EV bus's is around 1.2 to 1.4 million with out charging equipment. |
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I don’t have much vested in these working out or not. I was just curious on some of the real world data and non-biased evaluations of this EV platform. |
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