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I bet the Tesla owners won't be happy. Now all other EV owners are fighting with Tesla owners for the Tesla quick charging stations. This is going to be interesting.
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Its called the march of progress. Are you against progress? Edit: you mean this? https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/20/c...key-facts.html Last edited by murderspice; 04-18-2024 at 04:21 PM.. |
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Think about ICE cars. There have been a number of innovations that used to cost a lot that have become more affordable. I can remember paying huge money for carbon fiber parts, waiting weeks for them to be custom made, and now I can order them from Amazon. |
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Dan B I promise I'm not the (Get off my Lawn) guy but....
IMO EV battery technology will pass right over Solid-State Batteries. CATL’s Boss Doesn’t Think Solid-State Batteries Will Be Viable Any Time Soon April 15, 2024 The company has been working on solid-state batteries for a decade but isn't convinced by them. The founder and chief executive of the world’s largest EV battery manufacturer believes solid-state batteries remain many years away, despite Toyota’s recent claim it could commercialize the new batteries within three years. https://www.carscoops.com/2024/04/ca...any-time-soon/ |
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It's called totalitarianism.
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I don't want to date myself but when I was in college the first Ti hand calculators hit the market and they were over $400.00 and every well funded engineering student had one. I was not well funded so it was a slide rule for me. It was not long till there were $25.00 hand calculators that would kick the $400.00 versions to the curb. Early EV owners have experienced some serious depreciation and that is always the price of being on the cutting edge of technology. I think this is why they created the lease.
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Most EV makers are losing thousands on a per unit basis right now with "low cost" liquid lithium-ion batteries and most EV get 250 miles of range on a 75kWh battery and take 40 minutes to charge to just 80%. Last edited by Efthreeoh; 04-18-2024 at 04:23 PM.. |
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When the EMP's start going off you will find the value in a good horse!
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I don't know about you, but I think making wide-brush assumptions as if EVERYONE would own an EV when deciding if I, today, should consider one is an asinine thought process.
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I suspect this is the source for the numbers, or at least close. EVs Explained: Charging Losses When adding energy to an EV's battery pack, more is expended than what makes it into the pack. How much varies considerably depending on the electrical output and ambient conditions. Because the battery is more complicated than a simple container. A rough expectation is that your EV may use as much as 12 to 15 percent more energy than what you add back to the battery. Some energy is written off to what's known as "transmission loss," some is converted to heat, and some is used to keep the battery at the right temperature during charging. https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...arging-losses/ This doesn't take into account the transmission loss in the charger itself or the transmission loses in the grid. Your point about outside influences in this is quite true IMO. At the end of the day the only real comparison is the cost per mile of the EV vs the ICE. Both sides of this argument have a tendency to shade the truth or commit the sin of omission. |
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