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      08-20-2019, 08:22 PM   #705
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I think there is a tipping where you can or cannot feel the power in your seat. My 9-3 is 210HP and 1550KG and I don't really feel anything TBH. But a 345HP and similarly heavy base (997) 911 felt pretty good on exit ramps in comparison. So did the heavier but more powerful Mustang GT. Not sure what 600 or 700HP does for you though.
If you don't think one can’t feel the difference then you mustn’t have been in a real fast car before. My 3250lb C6 went from 430bhp to over 600bhp and the difference is astounding when you put your foot in it.
You guys call it bragging rights that’s all good, I call it a ride that can pin passengers deep in their seats and still gives me a rush when I squeeze it hard. I might run it against another car here or there if the opportunity is arises and it’s safe but mostly just drive for my pleasure and a passenger if I have one at the time and to the track on occasion.

By the way, I did a centri so it would give a more linear power delivery(like NA) and it spins up to 6500rpm and makes power all the way to fuel shut off.
Here’s an example of a centrifugal SC on an LS. This isn’t all bottom but loves to rev and make phenomenal power all the way up. A light weight 400hp car is real fun, add 200 more and it’s another world.
https://www.google.com/search?q=c6+c...8wtdDOdY-xyzQM
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I'm sure it's fun to punch on highway, but can't see adding more weight to the front help it corner sharper. Electric car would be the ultimate punch in the face acceleration if that's what we look for (though with less drama)
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Gotta remember that was 7 years ago...Plus this is about 3 or 4 threads merged into one.

https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=790845
https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=791463
https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=791792
https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=855441

Just to name a few on THIS forum.

EDIT on an edit: Man these places are like a f**king time machine. Once in a while I'd like to just go back and see what people were talking about back in the days. Anyway, GM's initial claim on the "base" Stingray was 0-60 in 3.8 seconds. As it turned out, the base Stingray does 0-60 as claimed in 4.1. The Z51 package is required to hit 3.8 (surprise, surprise). And on top of that, with PDR (performance data recorder), launch control, and the A8 automatic transmission, people have tried their darn hardest to see if they can come close to GM's claimed time.

THEY CAN'T.

There's literally thousands of videos on YouTube of C7 owners of various trim and options, trying to hit that magical 3.8 second 0-60 claimed time. The best is someone doing it in ideal condition, low humidity, low temp, with warm tires and before heat soak set in, someone in an automatic Z51 managed to hit 3.95 second to 60. Most people, including magazines, have seen 4.1-4.4 seconds consistently. With launch control. On warm tires.

Of course, you sort of have to take GM at their words. They probably managed to hit 2.99 in a Z51 equipped C8 in a controlled test environment somewhere. But I guarantee you, in real world testing, most people will likely only manage a 3.2-3.5 in a C8. Which is nothing to scoff at. But that's standard GM practice, unlike BMW where, when they quote you a 4.9 second 0-60 (my MZ4 Coupe), you can pretty much hit that occasionally and beat it if you're willing to abuse the mother**k out of the clutch (magazines have gotten as low as 4.5s).
But that is the same for any car. Professionally tested, a car will return numbers that street drivers, even really good ones, can't achieve.
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I'm sure it's fun to punch on highway, but can't see adding more weight to the front help it corner sharper. Electric car would be the ultimate punch in the face acceleration if that's what we look for (though with less drama)
Mine has the Z51 package and you really can’t feel the marginal weight increase up front and it handles very well. I upgraded to Z06 brakes and wheels and it has 325/275 pole position tires and it sticks very well and stays flat in curves.

Electric is fun I guess for a while but after only a couple of hard blasts and they quickly start bleeding off battery power. So much so the Tesla ludicrous hasn’t even been able to do one complete lap on the Ring without failing. Me, I like the ‘drama’ of the internal combustion engine. I’ll stick with old school engines.
I did run a Tesla S P90 once off a light, he got me out of the hole but I quickly reeled him in inside an eighth and blew past him hard.
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Well the new Porsche one is suppose to be able to keep hard launch multiple times guess we will see, ICE just had so much more drama...

Edit: also looks like model 3p is able to do at least 1 lap on the ring without any drop in performance... (one lap isn't a lot but it's getting there)
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But that is the same for any car. Professionally tested, a car will return numbers that street drivers, even really good ones, can't achieve.
And like I said in my previous post, magazines were spot on GM's times for the most part.
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If you don't think one canít feel the difference then you mustnít have been in a real fast car before. My 3250lb C6 went from 430bhp to over 600bhp and the difference is astounding when you put your foot in it.
You guys call it bragging rights thatís all good, I call it a ride that can pin passengers deep in their seats and still gives me a rush when I squeeze it hard. I might run it against another car here or there if the opportunity is arises and itís safe but mostly just drive for my pleasure and a passenger if I have one at the time and to the track on occasion.

By the way, I did a centri so it would give a more linear power delivery(like NA) and it spins up to 6500rpm and makes power all the way to fuel shut off.
Hereís an example of a centrifugal SC on an LS. This isnít all bottom but loves to rev and make phenomenal power all the way up. A light weight 400hp car is real fun, add 200 more and itís another world.
https://www.google.com/search?q=c6+c...8wtdDOdY-xyzQM

My last c6Z was over 600bhp after modding it....the wife rode in it with me once and then never got in it again. My current C6 is about 530bhp. It's not as raw as the Z06 was. The current one she will take road trips with me all day long and likes it aside from the occasional elbow to the ribs if I get out of hand.

But in a 3200lb car, 460/460 to the rear wheel is plenty for me as I have gotten older. Maybe I'm starting to calm down in my old age!
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      08-21-2019, 06:43 AM   #712
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All the C8 thread are not merged into this one, but those combined only add up to <200 anyway.

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Hereís some food for thought, though. GM sold 25-35 thousand C7ís a year. Iím too lazy to look up sales figures for each competing model, but i believe Porsches, M cars, Shelbys sold well from 2014-2017. How many C8ís are they gearing up to make? If they produce 50k a year will that finally kill the weaker competitive models?
The plant wasn't operating at/near capacity for the C7, because people knew this was coming. For C8, they're already doubled the number of shifts (so double output) AND presumably they'll be operating closer to/at capacity for a while. I'd assume once they're spun up, output will be 2.5-3x. This thing being profitable is dependent on them selling a ton of them-- the price point is achieved by economies of scale.

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Maybe I'm off base, but i would think the average 911 buyer cares more about it being a 911 rather than where the engine is placed. At the end of the day it's still a Porsche.

To give a personal example I typically buy preowned M cars. I could have bought a brand new 340i instead but I would rather have the used M3 for the same money. I think people who really want a 911 would still rather have one vs a new vette since, all things considered, Porsche > Chevrolet.

Don't take my posts as slighting the new vette. I love it and would absolutely consider buying one. I just don't think some of the premium brands have too much to worry about.
Maybe I give humanity too much credit. Are people really that shallow?

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I think where we may differ is the strength of the appeal of a mid-engine, n/a V8 sports car. I think this; along with the fact that it's used 911 vs NEW C8; will cause an erosion (or some level) of used 911 and 911S.
... and it a couple of years we'll have a ton of used C8s on the market. If you think a new C8 is a performance bargain, used....
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Fair enough, but you're going to let a handful (hopefully) of service trips over the life of the car prevent you from enjoying insane performance at a reasonable cost? I can't imagine their service centers are that bad!
Like I said, call me a snob. It's primarily just the image of the 'Vette driver, the service perks are just icing on the cake. If I was seriously tracking, that might be another conversation.
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Like I said, call me a snob. It's primarily just the image of the 'Vette driver, the service perks are just icing on the cake. If I was seriously tracking, that might be another conversation.
Not all Vette drivers look the same or fit that "persona".

I can afford the Porsche, but the Corvette has always held a soft spot for me ever since riding in my Uncles 1959 model.

Never thought I had an image...my passion is cars in general (whatever appeals to me)..and nice timepieces.
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The "image" thing is particularly amusing to me on a BMW forum-- does any group of car owners have a more negative reputation than BMW owners? I think not.

I just can't imagine allowing image to influence what car I buy. It's so petty and shallow.
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The "image" thing is particularly amusing to me on a BMW forum-- does any group of car owners have a more negative reputation than BMW owners? I think not.

I just can't imagine allowing image to influence what car I buy. It's so petty and shallow.
I wish I was like you, not bothered by the self image. I am fine with being perceived as a pretentious douche but not as middle age man who touches the waitress on the arm and ask her where she is on the menu...
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Not all Vette drivers look the same or fit that "persona".

I can afford the Porsche, but the Corvette has always held a soft spot for me ever since riding in my Uncles 1959 model.

Never thought I had an image...my passion is cars in general (whatever appeals to me)..and nice timepieces.
I have two Porsche, two Ducati and a Corvette. Iím buying a new a Corvette. Iím not sure if I should wear a nylon track suit, gold chains or a walker.
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Not all Vette drivers look the same or fit that "persona".

I can afford the Porsche, but the Corvette has always held a soft spot for me ever since riding in my Uncles 1959 model.

Never thought I had an image...my passion is cars in general (whatever appeals to me)..and nice timepieces.
I have two Porsche, two Ducati and a Corvette. I’m buying a new a Corvette. I’m not sure if I should wear a nylon track suit, gold chains or a walker.
Don't forget to grow out your mullet dude
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Kerbeck Chevrolet in Atlantic City, NJ the dealer that sells the most new Corvettes in the world is no longer taking reservations on 2020 C8ís. Theyíre all spoken for. You can get your name on the list there for 2021.
Kerbeck usually gets an allotment of over 1,000 Vettes a year.
Snatch em up while you can, scuttlebutt is there will be a sizable increase in price for 2021.
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I have two Porsche, two Ducati and a Corvette. Iím buying a new a Corvette. Iím not sure if I should wear a nylon track suit, gold chains or a walker.
Easy...you wear all at once!
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If you don't think one canít feel the difference then you mustnít have been in a real fast car before. My 3250lb C6 went from 430bhp to over 600bhp and the difference is astounding when you put your foot in it.
That's not what i said though. i clearly mentioned a tipping point.
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Sid it before and will say again, way, way too much F430 in this car, i can't look past it.
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Sid it before and will say again, way, way too much F430 in this car, i can't look past it.
Oh noes! My chevy looks too much like a Ferrari.
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That's not what i said though. i clearly mentioned a tipping point.
You mentioned you didn’t know what 600-700 would do so I was just letting you know a jump from 400-600 hasn’t reached that hypothetical ‘tipping point’ by most drivers who appreciate fast cars standards, I would confidently say. Some don’t and that great, not everyone enjoys the opportunity to accelerate real quick or handle at 1G+.
You also said in a prior post that anything over 400 is just bragging rights. If 400 is fine for you good but many thankfully disagree of where that cut off point is.

Interesting how those who make such pronouncements have cars that don’t reach that plus 400hp threshold and call it a waste and it’s just guys muscle flexing. I’m sure there are some Toyota Corolla owners saying that anything over 300hp is too much and just guys beating their chests. Different strokes, Alls good.
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Sid it before and will say again, way, way too much F430 in this car, i can't look past it.
That's ok, the Ferrari F12 tdf looked too much like a C7 when it came out, too.

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