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View Poll Results: 997 GTS or 2018/19 Mustang with PP1?
911 36 97.30%
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      08-17-2019, 01:22 PM   #23
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A GT350 would be the logical choice, but he said it must be a convertible.
Missed that requirement....
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      08-17-2019, 02:02 PM   #24
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You need to find a way to drive both, they are totally different experiences. The 997 GTS has held its value incredibly well and probably will for a long time, but it can also be hard to find a great spec at a reasonable price because of that. I hope your kids are extremely tiny humans if you plan on fitting them into the back seat of a 997
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      08-17-2019, 07:28 PM   #25
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Porsche all day. Having had multiple M's and an AMG for years, the phrase "there is no substitute" couldn't be more accurate. Sat in the drivers seat of a 911 for the first time this past april. Went to see their inventory ended up going for a test drive even tho that wasn't the plan. Instantly knew "this is it". Now the happy owner of a .2 manual GT3.

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      08-18-2019, 02:24 AM   #26
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Your statement is soooo true!


""""Not dissing any car, but I see a stang, Camaro, or challenger on almost every street car. And the only cars that turn my head aside from corvettes and other classic cars are Porsches and other exotics.""""""
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      08-18-2019, 03:04 AM   #27
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Yeah, get the Porsche. I've DDed a 991 for a while now, and I just bought an E91 wagon to DD for a change of pace. Keeping the 991, just wanted another toy & to let the 911 be the weekend joyride.

I drove a bunch of different 911's before I chose what I wanted. The 991 C2 with the 3.4L is the most balanced, fun street car to me, with that NA engine orchestra when you're wringing it out.
I nearly bought a Carrera T, but the 991.1, base car with PSE was just IT for me.
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      08-18-2019, 03:08 AM   #28
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Porsche or a Ford.

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      08-18-2019, 03:47 AM   #29
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If you think the 991 S is common, you may want to avoid a mustang lol.
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      08-18-2019, 07:17 AM   #30
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There are a bunch of places to go within a reasonable drive in the GTA....if you reach out to some of the Z4M guys they do a couple of cruises a year, Forks of the Credit, Muskoka, Niagara. They also usually post the maps and routes they take if you want to do the trip solo.

https://www.zpost.com/forums/showthr...ght=GTA+cruise

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer...500000002&z=12
They all stink.

Within an hour's drive or so the best by far is Forks of the Credit but it has recently been COVERED in speed bumps. Hockley Valley, it's a long way to get there for what? 6 mediocre corners?

So it's a seriously long drive to get anywhere even remotely good. The roads are atrocious, dullness personified.
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      08-18-2019, 09:38 AM   #31
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      08-19-2019, 08:02 AM   #32
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A GT350 would be the logical choice, but he said it must be a convertible.
Yeah it has to be a vert, adds a little something to the experience, is an easier sell to the wife and TBH I am stunned how much the kids like it. Just rented an Ecoboost Mustang (No GT's for rent) and both my boys were going nuts in the back.

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You need to find a way to drive both, they are totally different experiences. I hope your kids are extremely tiny humans if you plan on fitting them into the back seat of a 997
Rented both a base 997 Carrera and a GT stand without the PP or Magnaride. TBH the V8 is compelling, I was surprised as to the revs it likes and it sounds mean AF downshifting. But yeah you can feel the weight.

Kids are 3 and 7, 7 year old is fine behind my wife so i figure i will get about 4 to 5 years before one of them behind me doesn't work.

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I drove a bunch of different 911's before I chose what I wanted. The 991 C2 with the 3.4L is the most balanced, fun street car to me, with that NA engine orchestra when you're wringing it out.
I nearly bought a Carrera T, but the 991.1, base car with PSE was just IT for me.
I do like the back end of the 991 way better but if i am going to drop this sort of coin i guess i am after something a bit unique. You have a very nice colour there, what is it called?


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What about E93 M3?
Yeah it is/was on the list. RS5 comes into play too at that point but it is AWD which does not fit my criteria. The M3 would likely be the sensible option as I could probably get rid of my car and DD it, saving on insurance etc. My 9-3 wagon is very handy though, weather it's xmas trees or home depot or whatever it just seems to handle everything. The M3 is also uber heavy with the hard top and that engine has it's issues but i may drive one to see what it is like.
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      08-19-2019, 09:54 AM   #33
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Personally, I've always wanted a 911. I had a 2001 Boxster for 3+ years without a single issue and loved that little car.

I'm waiting for my car to hit the magic 8 years old mark before I get my next car. It will be a 911 and more than likely a 997. Which model remains to be seen, but I'm leaning towards either a GT3 or a C2S.
I was "after" a 991 for a while and have read everything I can about them. I would definitely be in for a 991.2 since the upgrades seem to be worth it. Then, I've seen reviews of the 997 vs. the 991.2 and every reason I want a 911 seems to fit with what the 997 has to offer.
A little smaller in size, lighter weight, hydraulic steering, depreciation seems to have slowed dramatically.

That being said, it seems like you're not going to be able to "use" the 911 for what it shines most, it's handling and joy of driving on a windy back road.

If all the roads are straight as an arrow and are in poor condition, I'd go for something that has a huge amount of HP and trades handling for a better ride. It's essentially what you're going to be using the car for.
What that is, I'm not sure. M6 vert?
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      08-19-2019, 12:54 PM   #34
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If i am doing M6 I may as well do M3, but see my comments above on that. You're right though, the roads are the big issue for me and have me still thinking Mustang even though i want the 911.
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      08-19-2019, 01:30 PM   #35
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I have seen some drag racing videos of people getting ridiculous numbers with pretty mild mods on a Mustang. The mustang actually looks good to me too, but I just couldn't see myself owning a mustang no matter how fast it is.

I guess the materialism and brand whorishness of living in Orange County is contagious and transmitted via osmosis.

Says the person who drives a car crappier than a Ford Mustang. :shrugs:
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I've done a fairly similar dance in the past. I owned a 2012 Mustang GT---it had the coyote V8, 6-spd manual, brembo brake package, and I added koni dampers/steeda springs (along with the adjustable steeda strut mount). After owning the car for 3 yrs, my heart started to wander, hardcore. I drove a 997 carrera, 997 carrera S, and my current M3. Now personally, I didn't care much for the 997. On the street it felt pretty similar to the M3. I want my first Porsche to be an engaging experience, so I passed and bought the M3. Said M3 only has about $3k in options, with the most expensive option being the ZCP. I would say that the M3 and Mustang were very similarly equipped (both had cloth seats, manual, the optional performance package at the time, and neither had/have nav).

I'll tell you this. There's a reason why the Mustang is cheaper. It's a rickety car. The engine in the Mustang is legitimately superb. I am about one of 4 people who like the shifter feel of the MT-82. Everything else? Junk. There's no attention to detail and it's clear they took the cheapest way out possible. After a year, the underside of the mustang had a lot of surface rust. Under the dash, you can basically see right into all of the workings of the vehicle---there was no carpeting!

Now, I'm sure the current car is nicer than mine, but I wouldn't say it's worlds nicer. The IRS hasn't transformed the car as much as you would think. All mustangs drive like they're 5k lbs. Small cabin with lots of metal around you---the BMW and Porsche drove very differently.

If a GTS is a legit option for you and you like how it drives, I wouldn't give a mustang a second thought. If you're stretching to get into the GTS, the mustang might be a better option from a financial perspective. They're not terrible cars, but there are tangible differences in quality between the cars.
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I do like the back end of the 991 way better but if i am going to drop this sort of coin i guess i am after something a bit unique. You have a very nice colour there, what is it called?
It's Mahogany Metallic.
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a fellow torontonian chiming in with some relevant experience

I went from a 2014 Cayman S to a 2015 C7, both manual

I think you'll find that the porsche will offer a finer driving experience, even though there's limited curves in toronto to enjoy the handling capabilities
the c7 just overall felt crude and rough compared to the precise porsche, I haven't driven the 2018 and up stang, but I suspect it would feel similarly more crude like the c7

the porsche will simply engage you in a way the stang won't

if you plan on keeping the car for at least 5 years, the porsche may end up costing you less

The stang will depreciate roughly 10% a year for the first 4 years, so being worth 25-30K or so in 2023

the 997 gts seems to be holding its value well and I suspect it will be worth 80k in 4 years

the 997 gts is a special car, the stang is a common but fun car
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I'd ideally keep it at least 10 years, maybe never sell it if i went Porsche.
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      08-22-2019, 08:34 AM   #41
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The only reason to get a GT over a 911 would be if you're going to track it heavily and want something that's going to be a little cheaper to run.

A mustang is NOT a car you buy if comfort/convenience is a priority at all. Source? I've owned both (2008 997S and 2015 Mustang GT PP1)
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