[PeterWT]

Originally Posted by toddwalton

[IMG]...BMW makes a 2 Series Coupe just for you. And its dimensions are pretty much 'classic' gen 3 Series too. Enjoy.

The 2 is the only current BMW that interests me. I'm waiting to see the LCI.
But, this thread is not about the 2. It's about the 4 LCI headlights.
I was considering getting a 4 next, if they improved the front end design on the LCI. But, unfortunately it doesn't look like they will. Based on the headlights in this thread, it looks like they're going to make it even uglier than it already is.

[Blindside_137]

Lights used to just be lights. Now they are often intricately incorporated into the designs of cars. Which is awesome. Every part of the car needs to be given attention and thought with the overall design of the car in mind.

I do think the slant angel eye \\ // style suits the G8x front end better. But the lights themselves lack a lot of the detail that the current lasers have which is disappointing.

[tturedraider]

Originally Posted by tturedraider

The death of the BMW design icons continues unabated.

I just want to clarify. I am not referring to the coronas, which didn’t come along until the 2000 5er. I’m referring to the quad headlights, which first became a continuing BMW design feature on the 1977 E21 3er. I clearly remember when BMW made the specific design choice with the 1990 E36 to put a clear cover over the headlights, but retain the quad headlight design. This was right at the time the U.S. DoT relaxed headlight design requirements and allowed manufacturers to move away from the old sealed beam design and incorporate headlight design to be part of the overall design of cars. BMW managed to incorporate the headlight design into the overall design of their cars and still maintain the quad design that had become an icon of BMW design.

[tturedraider]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

I mean negativism and cynicism in every single thread makes this place unbearable.

Originally Posted by tturedraider

You are welcome to leave anytime you want. Don’t let the door hit you in the butt.

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

Why would I leave?

You answered your own question.

[ramparts]

well 63 11 5A3B303 isnt currently a valid part number in the BMW system....

[EXE46]

Originally Posted by DFW_M

To be realistic, the G20 is the most boring generation of the 3-series -- numb, lifeless...fast (so is freiking Model 3).
Although the handling was vastly improved over the F30, everything else was numbed down... I lasted 6 months with it and thankfully unloaded THE LEASE when the shortages started...

The same argument has been made in reference to the G80 you own, imagine that.

All modern BMW's suffer from the numb steering even the G8X cars which have turned off many enthusiasts. BMW can't even match Cadillac in driving dynamics so let's not throw shade.

[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by KoenG

Because you suggest no less that others should leave or just STFU because they have their own opinion about the design trend of BMW!!??

You’re putting words in my mouth. I’m not talking about expressing opinion. I’m talking about viciously attacking and insulting everything you don’t like, and insulting others who do.

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by EXE46

The same argument has been made in reference to the G80 you own, imagine that.

All modern BMW's suffer from the numb steering even the G8X cars which have turned off many enthusiasts. BMW can't even match Cadillac in driving dynamics so let's not throw shade.

G80 and G20 are night and day.
Yes, the steering is not what e90 had, however, the difference between the G80 and G20 steering is greater than the e90 vs G80.

As for the rest -- communication, road feel, brakes feel, 6MT vs 8AT numbness...cannot even compare the G80 vs G20.

I have also seen more positive reviews about the G80 than negative though.
But from my own experience, the G20 was a total disappointment. My daughter owns a G26 and it is quite better feel and feedback than what I experience for 9 months with my M340i...

[Hassan1490]

Originally Posted by BMW-ALPINA

Im so tired of all this shit BMW does these days. How is it possible to ruin and fuck up their brand like this. Its sad times to be a BMW enthusiast.

Just leave and get a Kia.
Boomers, your time is over. Just leave

[BMW-ALPINA]

Originally Posted by Hassan1490

Just leave and get a Kia.
Boomers, your time is over. Just leave

I have a higher standard than that. If it continues with high-scale cost-cutting as it has been until now, the next car will probably have to be a Porsche.

Compared to BMW, in any case, they do not remove equipment and turn the cars into cheap cars without passion.

[ramparts]

Originally Posted by BMW-ALPINA

I have a higher standard than that. If it continues with high-scale cost-cutting as it has been until now, the next car will probably have to be a Porsche.

Compared to BMW, in any case, they do not remove equipment and turn the cars into cheap cars without passion.

Their designer moved over from
BMW , so tbh it’s probably closure to a real bmw than the current model lineup coming out

[EXE46]

Originally Posted by DFW_M

G80 and G20 are night and day.
Yes, the steering is not what e90 had, however, the difference between the G80 and G20 steering is greater than the e90 vs G80.

As for the rest -- communication, road feel, brakes feel, 6MT vs 8AT numbness...cannot even compare the G80 vs G20.

I have also seen more positive reviews about the G80 than negative though.
But from my own experience, the G20 was a total disappointment. My daughter owns a G26 and it is quite better feel and feedback than what I experience for 9 months with my M340i...

Re-read my responses again, nowhere did I insinuate that the G20 was better than a G80 in driving dynamics. I don't need you to tell me what these cars represent, I have been driving BMW's since the E36. Anyhow, I am done with this pointless exchange.

[jdhiro]

Originally Posted by Hassan1490

Just leave and get a Kia.
Boomers, your time is over. Just leave

Not a boomer here, but a late late Xennial. The 3s this gen feel like they are designed for WRX skate culture people moving up, and not the heritage BMW owners. KITH M3 was probably the apex of this.

Is that a bad thing - no, there is a market to be had there. I’m glad to see more people coming into the BMW fam. The problem, almost exclusively, is BMW hasn’t given their old 3-series customers a place to go. I’ve had six 3’s, including 3 M3s, and I just don’t feel like BMW has given me a place to go.

The 5 is too big, the Z has been neglected, and everything else is an SUV. If BMW would just add a single high end performance focused car I think everyone could STFU and move on happily.

Idk why anyone would go to Kia though…

[jdhiro]

Originally Posted by BMW-ALPINA

I do not remove equipment and turn the cars into cheap cars without passion.

To be fair, removing equipment is the name of the game for Porsche, and they charge you EXTRA for it.

Honestly, the standard interior quality of the 911 is also kind of embarrassing when you consider that it's approaching the price of a Huracan and has all the same cheap plastic of a 330i.

[VR1]

Crazy how decisive a headlight can be lol.

[BMW-ALPINA]

Originally Posted by jdhiro

To be fair, removing equipment is the name of the game for Porsche, and they charge you EXTRA for it.

Honestly, the standard interior quality of the 911 is also kind of embarrassing when you consider that it's approaching the price of a Huracan and has all the same cheap plastic of a 330i.

At least the offer you the equipment. BMW just says: "nah, thats not possible..."

As example: Removal of the auto dim mirror for the passenger side. The package has exactly the same price as before (but without dimmable passenger mirror). If they need to save money (or earn money), just double the price of the package. I´m sure ppl would spend 900-1000$ for both than 4-500$ for one.. And for those who doesen´t care - they could just go for the entry package or skip it all.

Luckily, its almost always possible to retrofit og modify things.

[TrentMeister]

Originally Posted by notleks64

Remember when a BMW was identifiable when looking in your rear view mirror. Now a days a BMW looks so generic and so boring . Bring back Angel Eyes or Corona rings they were BMW.

Tf you talkin about??

Absolutely nothing on the road looks like a g8x in the rear view.

[TrentMeister]

Originally Posted by Game

Looks good to me....but still disappointing they continue to ditch the iconic rings.

Thing looks vicious

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by EXE46

Re-read my responses again, nowhere did I insinuate that the G20 was better than a G80 in driving dynamics. I don't need you to tell me what these cars represent, I have been driving BMW's since the E36. Anyhow, I am done with this pointless exchange.

Re-read...and try to understand what I wrote and how it applied to my previous post above...
Cadillac may have slightly better steering and, to some, better 6MT (not to me). The rest...blah. I wonder if G8x or Blackwing have better sales globally?

And...OK, I have been driving Bimmers since e46 (2002)...so, kudos to you
(how come you discovered this forum 15 years too late?)

[Bhandyman1976]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

I just wish these trolls with old cars jumping in every thread saying that 'BMW is dead, BMW designers should be fired blah blah' just shut up.
I mean negativism and cynicism in every single thread makes this place unbearable.

Right. Three design elements were the hallmark of BMW for over 50 years: the kidney grille, framed by round head lights and the hofmeister kink. In the last few years they’ve discarded the round headlights, and played very fast and loose w the kidney grill. Why would people be upset about that??

[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by Bhandyman1976

Right. Three design elements were the hallmark of BMW for over 50 years: the kidney grille, framed by round head lights and the hofmeister kink. In the last few years they’ve discarded the round headlights, and played very fast and loose w the kidney grill. Why would people be upset about that??

I agree. Why would people be upset about that? They know times change, headlight tech change, and that kidney grill size and shape changed many times in the past. Even if not, it’s just design, being so angry about it, finding every thread on the internet and insulting & attacking humans in every single opportunity would be insane, deranged, in urgent need of mental help. So I agree, why would people be so upset about that?

[Kleev]

Really disappointed in the air bag cover change on the steering wheel. The new plasti version looks terrible.

When I ordered the car in July it was the hand stitched version, now it looks like I need to accept this awful downgraded version.