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I think M340i, C43, S4 etc are absolutely enthusiast targeted cars. Why would a non-enthusiast ever purchase them?
I define an enthusiast as someone who places higher value on their car/driving experience than the average consumer, for any given class of car. So in the midsize luxury sedan segment, if you don't place higher value on the car/driving experience, you have absolutely no reason to purchase an M340, C43 or S4 over a 330i, C300, or A4 respectively. It just wouldn't make any sense.
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But I don't agree with your notion that there's absolutely no reason to by 340i and the others you'd mentioned. Just for the sake of getting a 6 cylinder engine vs sewing machine ticking clacking sounding 4 banger is enough of a reason to go after 340/c43/s4 etc.
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However I guarantee you that Kia had more enthusiasts in mind while building their 6MT G70 than BMW making G20's without MT option whatsoever in USA at least and instead focusing on all-digital gauge clusters, roomier than F30 back seats and other non-enthusiast creature comforts.
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As for non-enthusiasts getting an M340/C43/S4 just for the sake of having 6 cylinders, I'd argue that's the exception, which is why you have such a large disparity in sales between the base vs. performance variants. Most people do not place enough value on the difference in performance to justify the extra expense, and typically the ones that do, do so because they want the extra performance enough to pay for it. And to your point of a "sewing machine ticking clacking sounding 4 banger", I don't find that to be the characteristic of a modern turbo 4 from the past 5 years. They're much smoother than they once were. Just curious though - how do you define an enthusiast?
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Also, just because a car HAS a manual doesn't make it an enthusiast car. That last person was just saying that a car had to have a manual to be an enthusiast car. I don't necessarily agree with that, but you are twisting his words and saying something completely different. I don't have a problem with why you like cars. If you like them to show off that's fine. Cars are cool. Some people like them to work on them and show them off, others like to drive them on a track or on their favorite back roads. I think an automatic car can be an enthusiast model, but just in a different definition than what that other guy might have been saying. Last edited by upsidedownfunnel; 11-07-2019 at 04:51 PM.. |
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My last BMW happened to be a manual and was driven for a decade and racked up almost 200k miles. So i understand the manual argument but like i said that doesn't mean jack regarding what a proper enthusiast/purist car is. Forget M cars, purist car is something like the Ford Mustang GT500, 991.2 GT3 etc. So again we shall agree to disagree.
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Have to agree with the handling/steering comments though. Not to forget its dimensions of a land yacht.
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Maybe BMW forgot to send in their annual donation check to motortrend
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In Australia at least there’s no f-ing way I’m cross shopping $120 bimmer with a Hyundai. You’re not even in the same literal suburb when walking the dealerships, it’s a completely different market.
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Why spend extra money on a BMW over something like a well equipped Accord or some such car, but then go cheap on the engine. And it’s not about performance. It’s about the silky smoothest and effortless performance and it still gets great gas mileage.
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