[springerdrive]

Originally Posted by madpistol

Went to my local Acura dealer, and they have a White TLX Type-S sitting just outside their showroom... with a $12k+ markup on it (bunch of bs dealer protection stuff + the coveted "Fair Market Adjustment" line item stuck in the middle).

I really hope someone doesn't think the Type-S is worth $65k. You can get a loaded M340i for that price. These dealerships are crazy to sell these above MSRP.

Originally Posted by alpinewhite3

My brother tried to test drive it and the local dealer wouldn't let him without first putting a deposit down...Also 10k over msrp. Mind boggling that someone would choose this vehicle over a M340i...

This is not the case at all dealers. Our local Acura dealer is selling at MSRP (still too high IMHO). This thread at Acurazine lists lots of dealers selling at MSRP and allowing test drives.

[alpinewhite3]

Originally Posted by springerdrive

This is not the case at all dealers. Our local Acura dealer is selling at MSRP (still too high IMHO). This thread at Acurazine lists lots of dealers selling at MSRP and allowing test drives.

This was actually at Leith Acura on Capital Blvd. Not surprised as Leith, Hendricks and Johnson are basically running cartels around the triangle.

[TiMSport]

Originally Posted by EXE46

Harsh is subjective. What's harsh to you is another mans Buick/Cadillac of old. I have the fixed suspension and as they say ignorance is bliss because I'm perfectly satisfied. Never once had I ever thought the ride was harsh.

I find the fixed suspension just right for my needs and driving environment.

[springerdrive]

Originally Posted by alpinewhite3

This was actually at Leith Acura on Capital Blvd. Not surprised as Leith, Hendricks and Johnson are basically running cartels around the triangle.

That's odd. Leith Acura in Cary is selling the Type S at MSRP.

https://www.leithacuracary.com/searc...&Trim=Type%20S

[springerdrive]

Originally Posted by alpinewhite3

This was actually at Leith Acura on Capital Blvd. Not surprised as Leith, Hendricks and Johnson are basically running cartels around the triangle.

Originally Posted by springerdrive

That's odd. Leith Acura in Cary is selling the Type S at MSRP.

https://www.leithacuracary.com/searc...&Trim=Type%20S

Here's a recent message exchange I had with a sales rep I know at Leith Acura Cary:

I've had a 25+ year relationship with that dealership. As car stores go, they're pretty decent. Their service department is superb.

[RigaTony1982]

This car makes me sad. Between my wife and I, we've had 4 different Acuras (2009 TSX, 2013 ILX, 2015 TLX and 2018 RDX) that we leased. I really liked the brand and we had zero problems with any of the cars when we had them.

I was looking forward to the Type-S and almost delayed my M340i purchase in March just so I could see what it was all about. I think the normal TLX looks nice so was hoping the Type-S would up the driving experience. I have yet to drive it, but based off all these posts and the reviews it does not.

I also liked the simplicity of the brand as far as options and trims used to go. Back when I got my TSX the only options were automatic/manual and nav/no nav. Made it easy to find a perfect spec'd car and you didn't get nickeled and dimed on all the features. They've gotten so far away from what they used to be.

[alpinewhite3]

Originally Posted by springerdrive

That's odd. Leith Acura in Cary is selling the Type S at MSRP.

https://www.leithacuracary.com/searc...&Trim=Type%20S

Interesting, this was Leith Raleigh- Leith Cary was @ MSRP and welcoming him to come in for a test drive as well. The white one on the showroom floor at Leith Raleigh has about 10k worth of dealer extras on it.

[Slip_Angle]

Hey everyone!

I was doing some searches on Google and came across this thread. Just wanted to pop in to say it's nice the G70 gets props from the BMW crowd. I've had mine since late 2018 and it's been a great car!

No shade thrown at the M340i on the G70 forums, we all know it's beast!

[springerdrive]

Originally Posted by alpinewhite3

Interesting, this was Leith Raleigh- Leith Cary was @ MSRP and welcoming him to come in for a test drive as well. The white one on the showroom floor at Leith Raleigh has about 10k worth of dealer extras on it.

There are not anywhere near 10K of extras available for any TLX. Wheel & tire upgrade is about it.

[springerdrive]

Originally Posted by RigaTony1982

This car makes me sad. Between my wife and I, we've had 4 different Acuras (2009 TSX, 2013 ILX, 2015 TLX and 2018 RDX) that we leased. I really liked the brand and we had zero problems with any of the cars when we had them.

I was looking forward to the Type-S and almost delayed my M340i purchase in March just so I could see what it was all about. I think the normal TLX looks nice so was hoping the Type-S would up the driving experience. I have yet to drive it, but based off all these posts and the reviews it does not.

I also liked the simplicity of the brand as far as options and trims used to go. Back when I got my TSX the only options were automatic/manual and nav/no nav. Made it easy to find a perfect spec'd car and you didn't get nickeled and dimed on all the features. They've gotten so far away from what they used to be.

I too was hopefully anticipating the TLX Type-S and was disappointed. I have to thank Acura's B.S. Marketing for getting me interested in what a real performance sport sedan is. The TLX Type-S is a very nice car, but it's also, big, heavy, and slow. It's not what it was marketed as. The M340i however, is the real deal and we've recently ordered one!

[TruthOne]

Originally Posted by Slip_Angle

Hey everyone!

I was doing some searches on Google and came across this thread. Just wanted to pop in to say it's nice the G70 gets props from the BMW crowd. I've had mine since late 2018 and it's been a great car!

No shade thrown at the M340i on the G70 forums, we all know it's beast!

I love the G70. Genesis has surpassed Acura by a huge margin. That GV70 is beautiful. It looks like a 100k SUV

[bavarianride]

Originally Posted by TruthOne

I love the G70. Genesis has surpassed Acura by a huge margin. That GV70 is beautiful. It looks like a 100k SUV

This videos shows G70 3.3T v6 awd loses out to M340ix on every run, is it a fair comparison?

The G70 interior shown on the clip looks caddy/buick-like, I think the G20 interior looks better than G70.

The exterior style of G70 is not bad though.

[TruthOne]

Originally Posted by bavarianride

This videos shows G70 3.3T v6 awd loses out to M340ix on every run, is it a fair comparison?

The G70 interior shown on the clip looks caddy/buick-like, I think the G20 interior looks better than G70.

The exterior style of G70 is not bad though.

There's nothing in the class beating the M340. The genesis however is a great car still. Better than the TLX by far. The TLX got smoked by the G70 like how the BMW killed the G70. Sam tried to get the TLX guys to race a 2.0 accord and both refused out of embarrassment lol

[Slip_Angle]

The G70 and Stinger are handicapped by TCU limiters. Launch control builds no boost to ensure a long transmission life span. I installed a TCU with the torque limiters removed and did a real quick Dragy run today. 0-60 in 4.1 in the first try (Magazine time with 1ft rollout). I'm pretty sure a lower time can be had with more practice. This was with no other modifications. The M340i is making more HP than advertised, so it's just legit faster but it would be cool to see another race with the TCU limit removed. I think it would be a much more competitive race but the M340i would still take the win.

The G70 kinda feels like a cousin to the 3 series because the car was designed by former BMW head engineer Albert Biermann.

I was hoping the TLX Type-S would be a great car but it just seems like Acura got the fundamentals wrong and are using SH-AWD to try and make up for it. In this segment I really think rwd platforms are the formula. It's just too heavy with massive exterior dimensions and small interior dimensions for it's size. It certainly looks great though!

[bavarianride]

Originally Posted by TruthOne

There's nothing in the class beating the M340. The genesis however is a great car still. Better than the TLX by far. The TLX got smoked by the G70 like how the BMW killed the G70. Sam tried to get the TLX guys to race a 2.0 accord and both refused out of embarrassment lol

2021 Genesis G70 2.0T is 0-60 6.4 seconds, how can that be competitive with G20 330i?

[springerdrive]

Originally Posted by bavarianride

2021 Genesis G70 2.0T is 0-60 6.4 seconds, how can that be competitive with G20 330i?

They're talking about the 3.3T - 365HP.

[Quadruple VANOS]

The Genesis G70 and Acura TSX Type S are both 330i M Sport competitors and not really competitive against an M340i.
Personally I'd rather own the 4-cylinder BMW than a 6-cylinder Acura or Genesis.

[rostrata]

Own an M340iX and drove the new TLX Type S on three separate occasions. The last two times I was able to actually put it through some real driving tests to get a sense for dynamics.

First… the Type S is slower. No doubt about that. Second, the Type S handling far exceeds that of the M340. Road feel and turn-in are excellent. Steering isn’t overly weighted. Has the steering feel closer to that of a 911 (yes, that’s a fact because I’ve owned a 911 and can attest to it). I didn’t say the driving dynamics of a 911, either. So don’t confuse the two. I’m talking about steering feel alone. Three, transmission precision and response.. excellent. Even though the 340 is quicker, it feels sluggish as fuck compared to the Type S. Fourth, handling and traction is Excellent.even on crappy P7s it didn’t let the back end slide out. In a hard corner suggesting the suspension tuning and balance is excellent, much like my old Audi A4. The 340 would have drifted halfway across the road. I know that is in part due to the LSD. But still. Should be able to get more grip from a supposed sports sedan. Fifth… the infotainment system on the Type S is a pain in the ass and it is fully centered, not facing the driver. The 340 is much easier to manipulate and more intuitive. The Type S made me not even want to mess with it which drops its usefulness significantly.

My two cents… if you don’t give a fuck about the infotainment system and you don’t care to be a bit slower, the Type S is hard to beat. If you still give a shit about those things and want to keep everything at your fingertips and are willing to make your own suspension adjustments and tweaks to gain more road feel and the steering wheel weight doesn’t bother you, keep the 340.

[bavarianride]

Originally Posted by rostrata

Own an M340iX and drove the new TLX Type S on three separate occasions. The last two times I was able to actually put it through some real driving tests to get a sense for dynamics.

First… the Type S is slower. No doubt about that. Second, the Type S handling far exceeds that of the M340. Road feel and turn-in are excellent. Steering isn’t overly weighted. Has the steering feel closer to that of a 911 (yes, that’s a fact because I’ve owned a 911 and can attest to it). I didn’t say the driving dynamics of a 911, either. So don’t confuse the two. I’m talking about steering feel alone. Three, transmission precision and response.. excellent. Even though the 340 is quicker, it feels sluggish as fuck compared to the Type S. Fourth, handling and traction is Excellent.even on crappy P7s it didn’t let the back end slide out. In a hard corner suggesting the suspension tuning and balance is excellent, much like my old Audi A4. The 340 would have drifted halfway across the road. I know that is in part due to the LSD. But still. Should be able to get more grip from a supposed sports sedan. Fifth… the infotainment system on the Type S is a pain in the ass and it is fully centered, not facing the driver. The 340 is much easier to manipulate and more intuitive. The Type S made me not even want to mess with it which drops its usefulness significantly.

My two cents… if you don’t give a fuck about the infotainment system and you don’t care to be a bit slower, the Type S is hard to beat. If you still give a shit about those things and want to keep everything at your fingertips and are willing to make your own suspension adjustments and tweaks to gain more road feel and the steering wheel weight doesn’t bother you, keep the 340.

How is Type S's cornering capability? Does it perform as good as G20 RWD?

[Slip_Angle]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

The Genesis G70 and Acura TSX Type S are both 330i M Sport competitors and not really competitive against an M340i.
Personally I'd rather own the 4-cylinder BMW than a 6-cylinder Acura or Genesis.

The G70 3.3T performance numbers vs the M340i aren't far apart. The launch is really the biggest difference but in terms of on a roll it's not huge. The handling and overall package the G70 competes very well. Both great cars

[EXE46]

Originally Posted by bavarianride

How is Type S's cornering capability? Does it perform as good as G20 RWD?

I wouldn't put much stock in that opinionated statement from a member who once proclaimed Michelins PS4S tires suck"lol.

Originally Posted by Slip_Angle

The G70 3.3T performance numbers vs the M340i aren't far apart. The launch is really the biggest difference but in terms of on a roll it's not huge. The handling and overall package the G70 competes very well. Both great cars

This is golden, have you attempted to race one on the streets? Even from a roll in comfort mode G70 gets killed, no contest. Not all of us utilize LC especially in DD. G70 stands no chance in keeping up in he real world stock for stock.

[Quadruple VANOS]

Originally Posted by Slip_Angle

The G70 3.3T performance numbers vs the M340i aren't far apart. The launch is really the biggest difference but in terms of on a roll it's not huge. The handling and overall package the G70 competes very well. Both great cars

I was thinking of the cost comparison. My real-world example of how I'd order (generally fully loaded) each car.

2022 G70 $51,945
2022 TLX Type S $54,145
2022 330i $54,645

2022 M340i $66,970

At least the way I'd order each; the M340i is really in a different class. Still rather put my money in a 330i over the Asian competition.