Michelin Pilot Sport 5

rostrata · 01-30-2022, 12:05 PM

Just came across an article that has me a bit excited. Apparently, Michelin is about to release a new iteration of the Pilot Sport. I’m hopeful that they’ve improved upon (thereby correcting) those things I found entirely unacceptable of with the 4S. I guess we’ll see in due time. No mention of release date but I’m hoping to get my hands on a set as soon as possible.

xlover · 01-30-2022, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by rostrata

Just came across an article that has me a bit excited. Apparently, Michelin is about to release a new iteration of the Pilot Sport. I'm hopeful that they've improved upon (thereby correcting) those things I found entirely unacceptable of with the 4S. I guess we'll see in due time. No mention of release date but I'm hoping to get my hands on a set as soon as possible.

Curious what issues you have with the 4s?
considering it is generally regarded as the best everyday capable high performance tire for sports cars on the market.

Nothing wrong with continuous improvement tho.

alex.v93 · 01-31-2022, 05:04 AM

I hope they bringt out an PS5 with * mark for BMWs. in best case non runflat for the 20inch M-Performance wheels.

Seanhfx · 01-31-2022, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by alex.v93

I hope they bringt out an PS5 with * mark for BMWs. in best case non runflat for the 20inch M-Performance wheels.

It may be a while if they do, and probably just as much relies on BMW than Michelin.

I will probably need to replace my 20's this year that came with OE Pzero's 225/35/20 F - 255/30/20 R, my 1st choice are the PS 4S *.

great comparison here.

TiMSport · 01-31-2022, 09:56 AM

I don't think they've developed the PS5s tire yet, and certainly not one in collaboration with BMW that would add the "*" mark. The tire OP is referencing seems to be the standard PS5 and it isn't known whether it's going to replace the PS4(s) lineup.

Not a whole lot of information out there yet.

EDWYER · 01-31-2022, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by rostrata

I’m hopeful that they’ve improved upon (thereby correcting) those things I found entirely unacceptable of with the 4S. I guess we’ll see in due time.

What did you find unacceptable with the 4S?

alex.v93 · 02-01-2022, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Seanhfx

It may be a while if they do, and probably just as much relies on BMW than Michelin.

I will probably need to replace my 20's this year that came with OE Pzero's 225/35/20 F - 255/30/20 R, my 1st choice are the PS 4S *.

great comparison here.

I think the PS4s in the OEM Sizes 20" aren't available with a "*" mark?

ZM2 · 02-01-2022, 11:28 AM

A successor to the PS4S has not been announced, yet.

My comment here includes a vid that compares the PS4 & PS4S: https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1895582

It'll be interesting to see how close to the PS5 gets to the PS4S, and when Michelin decides to release a PS5S.

rostrata · 02-01-2022, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by EDWYER

What did you find unacceptable with the 4S?

Couple of questions like this so I’ll stay off my soapbox. I wrote a detailed thread on it awhile back which garnered quite a bit of hate from a select few who seem to be such fanboys of the PS4S that I should never even think of dissing their precious tires. Lol. Ah shit. There’s the soapbox. Anywho…. To keep it short, all in all I found the performance to be way too compromised for what the tire delivered. I swapped out for a set of Pilot Super Sports and solved the issues. My take on it is this… a “max performance summer tire” should be exactly that. If folks want comfort, get an all-season tire. Not difficult.

TiMSport · 02-01-2022, 05:49 PM

The only thing I remember you posting about the PS4s tires was premature wear. I don't remember anything about performance being compromised. I also don't think anyone here suggested max performance summer tires are geared towards comfort. I thought you had gone to some all season tires.

EXE46 · 02-01-2022, 07:19 PM

Don't ask don't tell. PS4S's is inferior to what? Cup 2's, sigh!

EDWYER · 02-01-2022, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by rostrata

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Originally Posted by EDWYER

What did you find unacceptable with the 4S?

Couple of questions like this so I'll stay off my soapbox. I wrote a detailed thread on it awhile back which garnered quite a bit of hate from a select few who seem to be such fanboys of the PS4S that I should never even think of dissing their precious tires. Lol. Ah shit. There's the soapbox. Anywho…. To keep it short, all in all I found the performance to be way too compromised for what the tire delivered. I swapped out for a set of Pilot Super Sports and solved the issues. My take on it is this… a "max performance summer tire" should be exactly that. If folks want comfort, get an all-season tire. Not difficult.

You seem to have a vendetta. The PS4S are superior. Sorry I added to your craziness. LOL

TiMSport · 02-01-2022, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by EXE46

Don't ask don't tell. PS4S's is inferior to what? Cup 2's, sigh!

All Season tires apparently.

rostrata · 02-01-2022, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TiMSport

The only thing I remember you posting about the PS4s tires was premature wear. I don't remember anything about performance being compromised. I also don't think anyone here suggested max performance summer tires are geared towards comfort. I thought you had gone to some all season tires.

Referenced articles written by others that many seem to agree with. I was simply asking in a non-conventional way for justification to that particular tire’s performance. That’s it. I did switch to all seasons however, for the winter. People do that, because when it’s 8 degrees, you really should. But because I drive more than most, I place a high demand on return. It’s right on the cusp of SC2 performance but with the requirement of at least 10k miles of tread life.

My only point with this new thread is that I hope they bring back some of what was lost with the PS4S. Maybe a marginal return the the glory days of the PSS. If not, then SC2 or R888R will be the ones I use for warm weather going forward. Not the end of the world. I have my opinion on the matter. That’s all. Take it or leave it, right?

rostrata · 02-01-2022, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by EXE46

Don't ask don't tell. PS4S's is inferior to what? Cup 2's, sigh!

Ears burning?

RoyB · 02-02-2022, 07:45 AM

PSS are still available. As are Sport Cups. If you want a nice riding summer tire, I think the 4S fit the bill. If you want a track tire, get the PSS or Sport Cup. I haven't watched the videos but I would have to assume for every day driving and max traction the 4S beats the PSS. 99% of the people buying 4S (me) are not tracking their cars or driving them 99/100% on the street and will appreciate a nicer ride over a tad bit more feedback/cornering.

I run Performance Snows in winter if it matters any.

ZM2 · 02-03-2022, 07:32 AM

Even thedrive is confusing this info by using 4s and 5s to mean plural 4 & 5! Seems like it’s time for some Michelin tire model name changes…

https://www.thedrive.com/news/44095/...-gotten-better

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ZM2 Brigadier General 2811 Rep 3,695 Posts Drives: 2017 LBB M2 Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Baltimore iTrader: (1)	A successor to the PS4S has not been announced, yet. My comment here includes a vid that compares the PS4 & PS4S: https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1895582 It'll be interesting to see how close to the PS5 gets to the PS4S, and when Michelin decides to release a PS5S.
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RoyB Second Lieutenant 166 Rep 272 Posts Drives: 2021 M340i x Join Date: Feb 2020 Location: Chicago iTrader: (0)	PSS are still available. As are Sport Cups. If you want a nice riding summer tire, I think the 4S fit the bill. If you want a track tire, get the PSS or Sport Cup. I haven't watched the videos but I would have to assume for every day driving and max traction the 4S beats the PSS. 99% of the people buying 4S (me) are not tracking their cars or driving them 99/100% on the street and will appreciate a nicer ride over a tad bit more feedback/cornering. I run Performance Snows in winter if it matters any.
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