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      07-10-2019, 05:08 PM   #485
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Does anywone know the results of the skidpad testing on Model 3?

How about cabin noise readings compared to G20 at highway speeds? I read everywhere thst Model 3 is noisy at highway speeds, some measurements performed by Tesla owner Bjørn show a VW e-Up is at 72db at 70mph which is same as Model 3 Performance. I find it quite dissapointing tbh.

Also an e-Golf is quieter by almost 3dB at same speed.
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Funny I am on the Mercedes forum and people are adding dynamat to make the car "more luxurious".

Tesla does not provide that "serene" experience imo,.but you can DIY with good results. Many YouTubers adding additional seals to their Model 3.
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I bought a Model 3 performance because for same price I could get a base trim 330i so I am happy. Will report back on how it feels conpared to G20 if someone is interested.
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I bought a Model 3 performance because for same price I could get a base trim 330i so I am happy. Will report back on how it feels conpared to G20 if someone is interested.
Please do, I'd love to see an owner's perspective of switching from a BMW to a Tesla on Bimmerpost, I find that too many of the Tesla reviews (and other new cars) focus on the technology rather than the driving experience and how it compares to the class, so an owner review/comparison could be quite interesting and informative, just ignore all the negative comments that come w/ that post of course.
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I guess you missed this https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1527037
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I guess you missed this https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1527037
I guess I must have, thanks for the link!
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For me the G20 was way too expensive per month to justify its costs. So I had ordered a Model 3 LR AWD for now and will see how it goes. If I wont be satisfied I can always return the car within 7 days.
What's your conclusion on it now?
When talking about the monthly costs, are you charging from home and/or/only superchargers?
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I bought a Model 3 performance because for same price I could get a base trim 330i so I am happy. Will report back on how it feels conpared to G20 if someone is interested.
All the reviews have said the performance handles awesome and outperforms just about anything else on the track and in a straight line. It's now $54,990 which is around the same price as well equipped 330. Though if you want full self driving it's more. Or if you want a color other than white which I'm fine with white.
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All the reviews have said the performance handles awesome and outperforms just about anything else on the track and in a straight line. It's now $54,990 which is around the same price as well equipped 330. Though if you want full self driving it's more. Or if you want a color other than white which I'm fine with white.
My understanding though is that it can only perform at its peak for a limited time. As the battery is depleted, the performance also decreases. I don't think it would be an issue on the road, but maybe on a track.

I just can't warm up to the way the model 3 exterior looks. Too bad it doesn't look like a small model s, which I wouldn't mind.
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My understanding though is that it can only perform at its peak for a limited time. As the battery is depleted, the performance also decreases. I don't think it would be an issue on the road, but maybe on a track.

I just can't warm up to the way the model 3 exterior looks. Too bad it doesn't look like a small model s, which I wouldn't mind.
It's supposed to do some cooling thing on the performance so it can run optimally for longer than a regular model. Though probably not for more than a few laps. The looks have grown on me
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Tesla Model 3 Performance 6 month ownership update:

-Not a single issue or problem to bitch about.
-The car is both faster AND smarter than the day I bought it.
-Musk said it would be faster around a track than an M3, and he was right!
-Handling is similar to the top-spec European competitors, though the retail price is 20+% lower than any of them.
-The audio system is among the best I've heard in any vehicle, despite no brand name on any of the components.
-Front seats are amazingly comfortable.
-SO smooth and quiet.
-Fantastic visibility - hood drops away dramatically, and the fenders lend it a 911-like view of the road.
-Road-tripped 400 miles to Northern Michigan recently and the 2 Supercharging stops required less than 25 minutes in total. I lunched during the first stop and did my grocery-shopping during the second. 6:50 door-to-door including the stops, or just about on par with the time generally required in our ICE vehicles..
-The "limited" auto-pilot function makes long-distance highway driving much less fatiguing.
-Zero maintenance required - now or really ever.
-It feels like it was hewn from a solid steel ingot.

It's more fun to drive than any car I've ever owned.

Oh, and yes, the Performance model has a "Track" mode that both changes the handling behavior of the car and employs extra cooling for the battery and components that let it perform at a high level for a longer period of time.
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I just saw this. It was so disappointing but exactly as I expected.

The new G20 just doesn't have it. It's better than the F30 sure, but it's not a "real" BMW. Too big, too isolated, too boring for anything other than a straight line.

I just don't understand how BMW thinks their customers are so repulsed by some weight/feel in the steering that they've diluted their brand so hard. Even in sport mode these cars don't inspire confidence.

I've been driving a new G05 M sport for a week and am bored of it already. Even in Sport Plus you can turn the wheel with a finger. With my "spirited" driving, especially on the highway, I have no idea what the front wheels are doing and get a bit frightened. It's disconcerting.
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Please do, I'd love to see an owner's perspective of switching from a BMW to a Tesla on Bimmerpost, I find that too many of the Tesla reviews (and other new cars) focus on the technology rather than the driving experience and how it compares to the class, so an owner review/comparison could be quite interesting and informative, just ignore all the negative comments that come w/ that post of course.
I guess you missed this https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1527037
Here are some of mine:
https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...&postcount=482
https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...9&postcount=20


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My understanding though is that it can only perform at its peak for a limited time. As the battery is depleted, the performance also decreases. I don't think it would be an issue on the road, but maybe on a track.
That is correct - peak HP & torque are obtained at 90-100% of battery state of charge (SOC). Then torque starts dropping earlier north of 5K RPMs as SOC drops.
In real world, it's almost imperceptible, as the acceleration of TM3P is brutally quick at all levels of SOC.
Data here: https://insideevs.com/news/339051/te...s-battery-soc/

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I just can't warm up to the way the model 3 exterior looks. Too bad it doesn't look like a small model s, which I wouldn't mind.
I had G20 as a loaner the last time I brought my F80 for service.
Meah.

I can't warm up to the G20 looks - just stupid busy nose, and rear bumper inserts would be embarrassing even on a Hyundai.



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The new G20 just doesn't have it. It's better than the F30 sure, but it's not a "real" BMW. Too big, too isolated, too boring for anything other than a straight line.

I just don't understand how BMW thinks their customers are so repulsed by some weight/feel in the steering that they've diluted their brand so hard. Even in sport mode these cars don't inspire confidence.
BMW, as a brand, has been moving towards mass market / Lexus customer appeal over the past 10-20 years. Like it or not, it has worked for them, as sales have been slowly rising over that time span.

On the flip side, they've conceded the "exciting sports sedan" claim to AMG, Alfa Quad, and now Tesla.

Where BMW goes from here - your guess is as good as mine.
Personally, I'm not optimistic for BMW.


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Tesla Model 3 Performance 6 month ownership update:

-Not a single issue or problem to bitch about.
-The car is both faster AND smarter than the day I bought it.
-Musk said it would be faster around a track than an M3, and he was right!
-Handling is similar to the top-spec European competitors, though the retail price is 20+% lower than any of them.
-The audio system is among the best I've heard in any vehicle, despite no brand name on any of the components.
-Front seats are amazingly comfortable.
-SO smooth and quiet.
-Fantastic visibility - hood drops away dramatically, and the fenders lend it a 911-like view of the road.
-Road-tripped 400 miles to Northern Michigan recently and the 2 Supercharging stops required less than 25 minutes in total. I lunched during the first stop and did my grocery-shopping during the second. 6:50 door-to-door including the stops, or just about on par with the time generally required in our ICE vehicles..
-The "limited" auto-pilot function makes long-distance highway driving much less fatiguing.
-Zero maintenance required - now or really ever.
-It feels like it was hewn from a solid steel ingot.

It's more fun to drive than any car I've ever owned.

Oh, and yes, the Performance model has a "Track" mode that both changes the handling behavior of the car and employs extra cooling for the battery and components that let it perform at a high level for a longer period of time.
Sounds like you're really loving it. Thanks for your input.
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Tesla Model 3 Performance 6 month ownership update:

-Not a single issue or problem to bitch about.
-The car is both faster AND smarter than the day I bought it.
-Musk said it would be faster around a track than an M3, and he was right!
-Handling is similar to the top-spec European competitors, though the retail price is 20+% lower than any of them.
-The audio system is among the best I've heard in any vehicle, despite no brand name on any of the components.
-Front seats are amazingly comfortable.
-SO smooth and quiet.
-Fantastic visibility - hood drops away dramatically, and the fenders lend it a 911-like view of the road.
-Road-tripped 400 miles to Northern Michigan recently and the 2 Supercharging stops required less than 25 minutes in total. I lunched during the first stop and did my grocery-shopping during the second. 6:50 door-to-door including the stops, or just about on par with the time generally required in our ICE vehicles..
-The "limited" auto-pilot function makes long-distance highway driving much less fatiguing.
-Zero maintenance required - now or really ever.
-It feels like it was hewn from a solid steel ingot.
I generally agree with the above comments, with the following exceptions. Note, that my reference baseline is F80 M3:
  • Front seats are neither as comfortable, nor as well bolstered, as that of BMW M3. They are way too soft, and the side bolsters are way too small, with my thighs pushing over them during autoX runs. 4-/5-point belts would absolutely be required for TM3P before a DE.
  • Doors and trunk lids feel flimsy compared to those of a BMW. Door closing "thunk" is notably absent, and I'm afraid to dent the hood every time I access the Tesla frunk.
  • There absolutely is regular maintenance required for Tesla's (tires, other rubber components, battery coolant, cabin filters, brake pads and rotors, etc).
    • What you don't have to worry about is internal combustion engine and tranny/diff maintenance items (no oil changes, no spark plugs, no coils).


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It's more fun to drive than any car I've ever owned.
Agreed.

Also, my kids think Tesla is FAR cooler than any and all BMWs combined.

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[*]Front seats are neither as comfortable, nor as well bolstered, as that of BMW M3. They are way too soft, and the side bolsters are way too small, with my thighs pushing over them during autoX runs. 4-/5-point belts would absolutely be required for TM3P before a DE.
Different strokes....

The seat comfort is fantastic (for me - 6' 2", 200 lbs) for street driving, which after all makes up 99.93% of most people's driving.

I don't doubt that they won't be ideal for track events, but I'm good with that trade off.

One other item: I get lots of compliments on the car's looks. I know it's not for everyone, but the general public seems to think it looks fantastic. :-)
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Different strokes...

The seat comfort is fantastic (for me - 6' 2", 200 lbs) for street driving, which after all makes up 99.93% of most people's driving.

I don't doubt that they won't be ideal for track events, but I'm good with that trade off.

One other item: I get lots of compliments on the car's looks. I know it's not for everyone, but the general public seems to think it looks fantastic. :-)
I sat in the front of a Model 3 over the weekend. Not sure if those were the standard buckets but was not impressed. Yes they are cushioned but something about the shape of the seat doesn't bode well with me. You feel like you are seated on the seat not "in" the seat.

Access to the rear seats is hampered by a small and narrow door opening. The rears seem more comfortable but the car definitely feels small. 3 back there is a pinch better suited for a short runs.

Model S seats are more comfortable in the front but interior is cheap and low rent. Dash, doors feel and sound hollow and center console is a feast of cheap hard plastics. The rear seating in the S is not as comfortable due to the dolly shaped back head rests. But definitely there is more room in the back than the Model 3.

Model 3 interior materials are better but the huge black lid in the center console was hard plastic and refused to close.

Overall, my biggest caveat with Tesla's is the run of the mill interior quality. Going back to my G30 with its sublime comfortable seats and premium quality interior was a revelation.
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Model 3 interior materials are better but the huge black lid in the center console was hard plastic and refused to close.
https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors...n_model_3_was/

Imagine someone who always drove American cars getting out of a BMW and saying "I tried all the stalks but couldn't turn on the headlights".
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...But definitely there is more room in the back than the Model 3.
Check the specs - the Model 3 has more headroom, the Model S more legroom, so it's about a wash overall.

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Model 3 interior materials are better but the huge black lid in the center console was hard plastic and refused to close.
Tesla's choice of "Piano Black" plastic for the console compartment lids is both odd and silly, IMO.

Odd because the surfaces don't work - they scratch easily and are fingerprint magnets.

Silly because they could have easily charged a coupla hundred bucks at least if they'd offered an option of wood trim there, matching the open-pore wood across the dash. I added a matching "wrap" for those surfaces and it looks OEM.
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