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      10-25-2019, 03:11 PM   #133
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Evolution racewerks posted early build M340 dyno numbers of 391whp/420 lb ft in this thread:

https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1655627
As I posted in that thread, it's a Dynapak and one car on one day. This means nothing. If the Mission Performance 338 hp car was put on that Dynapak, it might make same numbers. Need two cars on same dyno and really same day for a delta!

Regarding why MP would make their statement, it sounds like they were given information from a source they trust (when maybe they shouldn't) and are passing it on as hearsay because it makes their product more appealing maybe. Note that they have not re-addressed it at all since their first post. Their information is not necessarily reality.

The bottom line here is... M340i is great and Car and Driver sucks.
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As I posted in that thread, it's a Dynapak and one car on one day. This means nothing. If the Mission Performance 338 hp car was put on that Dynapak, it might make same numbers. Need two cars on same dyno and really same day for a delta!

Regarding why MP would make their statement, it sounds like they were given information from a source they trust (when maybe they shouldn't) and are passing it on as hearsay because it makes their product more appealing maybe. Note that they have not re-addressed it at all since their first post. Their information is not necessarily reality.

The bottom line here is... M340i is great and Car and Driver sucks.
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some of you guys are really getting up in arms about this comparison
Especially considering that C&D flat out said the M340i is the better car.

Some people just won't be happy until C&D claims the G70 isn't even in the same category and they are sorry they even attempted to make the comparison. Otherwise to them, BMW "lost" somehow.

EDIT It probably has something to do with tying their self-worth or identity to their material possessions.

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In this article they said the m340i in comfort mode was stiffer than the g70 in sport. They didn't say anything about the 340i or g70 being soft and floaty.
I said 340i, not m340i. Different cars completely.
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In this article they said the m340i in comfort mode was stiffer than the g70 in sport. They didn't say anything about the 340i or g70 being soft and floaty.
I said 340i, not m340i. Different cars completely.
My mistake. The article never brought up the f30 though, hence my confusion.
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some of you guys are really getting up in arms about this comparison
Especially considering that C&D flat out said the M340i is the better car.

Some people just won't be happy until C&D claims the G70 isn't even in the same category and they are sorry they even attempted to make the comparison. Otherwise to them, BMW "lost" somehow.

EDIT It probably has something to do with tying their self-worth or identity to their material possessions.
They liked the m340i, but it's pretty clear that they conclude with the g70 being the overall winner. When they construct the 10 best or whatever, they'll probably cite the g70 "winning" this comparison as a reason why it made the list lol.

I'm not denying that the g70 is a good value, and a nice car. I'm just saying that c&d shouldn't be taken too seriously (as it sometimes is by enthusiasts). It's good for entertainment only, and one should take their content with a grain of salt. Many already know this, but some don't. This is for the latter. That's all.
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Lol @ Submariners example. The most overrated and cliche watch in the world ever. As shite as Invictas are part of me would be rooting for the dude with the Invicta!!! lol

Your post has perfectly captured everything wrong with badge snobbery!

You're saying a Veloster vs. 911 comparison is like this Hyundai vs. 3er? Well you're wrong. The G70 is in a similar class of car and has every right to be compared.
don't really wanna get deep into watches without knowing the audience but the Submariner is the most copied diver in the world and for a good reason. And the fact that you can't get them without waiting in line for several months and sometimes years in certain countries makes them underrated and undervalued, just look at the secondary/used market.....anyway...
Kia will never be a BMW no matter how much money they spend with every automotive publication. Same for Invicta vs Rolex.

Where I disagree with you is that Kia's size, amount of doors and engine displacement don't place it in the same class with BMW.
For many years it was easy to walk into any store and buy a Rolex. This has only changed in the past 5 years. Why? Social media garbage.

I just bought a Jaeger LeCoultre and every shop I went to try and peddled me a Rolex and I laughed....it's as generic as a luxury watch gets IMO. The fact that it's heavily copied is true; but doesn't make it any more appealing to me.

The fact is, BMW in 2019 is not the same as BMW in 1989 or even 1999. They aren't making cars that are invincibly cool; they are making cars to sell a badge. There's nothing inherently "cool" about BMW right now, IMO. As uncool as Kia/Hyundai seems it's not that far off the BMW track as you seem to think...
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Lol @ Submariners example. The most overrated and cliche watch in the world ever. As shite as Invictas are part of me would be rooting for the dude with the Invicta!!! lol

Your post has perfectly captured everything wrong with badge snobbery!

You're saying a Veloster vs. 911 comparison is like this Hyundai vs. 3er? Well you're wrong. The G70 is in a similar class of car and has every right to be compared.
don't really wanna get deep into watches without knowing the audience but the Submariner is the most copied diver in the world and for a good reason. And the fact that you can't get them without waiting in line for several months and sometimes years in certain countries makes them underrated and undervalued, just look at the secondary/used market.....anyway...
Kia will never be a BMW no matter how much money they spend with every automotive publication. Same for Invicta vs Rolex.

Where I disagree with you is that Kia's size, amount of doors and engine displacement don't place it in the same class with BMW.
For many years it was easy to walk into any store and buy a Rolex. This has only changed in the past 5 years. Why? Social media garbage.

I just bought a Jaeger LeCoultre and every shop I went to try and peddled me a Rolex and I laughed....it's as generic as a luxury watch gets IMO. The fact that it's heavily copied is true; but doesn't make it any more appealing to me.

The fact is, BMW in 2019 is not the same as BMW in 1989 or even 1999. They aren't making cars that are invincibly cool; they are making cars to sell a badge. There's nothing inherently "cool" about BMW right now, IMO. As uncool as Kia/Hyundai seems it's not that far off the BMW track as you seem to think...
To be fair Rolex has been the most recognizable luxury watch brand for a long time and probably had the most sales for much longer than five years. The prices have just been going up lately.

Their movements are also very good. Not the fanciest or thinnest, but very reliable, durable and accurate. I've always felt it made a good every day watch for affluent people.
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For many years it was easy to walk into any store and buy a Rolex. This has only changed in the past 5 years. Why? Social media garbage.
Wrong, they were widely available up until two years ago, not because of social media but because Rolex cut production which increased demand. Pretty sad actually, although at least mine has gone up significantly in value.
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Fuck kia, a similarly optioned m340i is 5k more with 11+% higher residual and lower tco.
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It appears a few people in this thread use "Kia" as a seemingly derogatory or negative term for the Hyundai G70.

Thinly veiled bias is laughably thin.

Are there improvements to be made to the G70? Sure. But as Hyundai's first RWD sports sedan, it's quite an accomplishment.

Objectively, the G70 is a great addition to the sport sedan competition. At a minimum, Hyundai is pushing BMW to create better products.

The G70 gives driving enthusiasts more choices...and it's offered with a manual. This fact alone is quite an honorable commitment from a modern auto manufacturer.
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For many years it was easy to walk into any store and buy a Rolex. This has only changed in the past 5 years. Why? Social media garbage.

I just bought a Jaeger LeCoultre and every shop I went to try and peddled me a Rolex and I laughed....it's as generic as a luxury watch gets IMO. The fact that it's heavily copied is true; but doesn't make it any more appealing to me.

The fact is, BMW in 2019 is not the same as BMW in 1989 or even 1999. They aren't making cars that are invincibly cool; they are making cars to sell a badge. There's nothing inherently "cool" about BMW right now, IMO. As uncool as Kia/Hyundai seems it's not that far off the BMW track as you seem to think...
You're a funny chap, the JL can be viewed as uncool as well, I raise you my imaginary A. Lange & Sohne. Since when is the cool factor a requirement for car purchase lol. Epic nonsense, the 3er was never a cool car, a Bugatti can be considered cool but not a BMW, unless we are talking about an M1. BMW is in the business of selling mass produced cars and turning a profit, that has always been the case.
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So this thread went off the rails....
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Rolex is a reliable work watch, luxury watch go through phases, not the first time you couldn't get a sub by just walking in the door, but pretty sure there will be a time when you can again...
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I think it's funny that a genesis g70 will look better than the new gen m3.
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Let's not forget that G70 was launched in 2017. So
It's 2 model years behind from G20
3 series. As such it was marketed as a competitor to the F30. Now once The new G70 comes out in the next 2 years I'm sure it will have more power, better quality interior and the difference as compared to current G20 BMW will be even smaller. I
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I guess you'll upgrade then, good for you. If it's bargain you're after just buy one after 3 years, they're worth nothing then.
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It appears a few people in this thread use "Kia" as a seemingly derogatory or negative term for the Hyundai G70.

Thinly veiled bias is laughably thin.

Are there improvements to be made to the G70? Sure. But as Hyundai's first RWD sports sedan, it's quite an accomplishment.

Objectively, the G70 is a great addition to the sport sedan competition. At a minimum, Hyundai is pushing BMW to create better products.

The G70 gives driving enthusiasts more choices...and it's offered with a manual. This fact alone is quite an honorable commitment from a modern auto manufacturer.
That's the only thing I'll give to Kia/Huidai/Genesis - availability of MT.
Unfortunately it's only available with their 4 cylinder model and less equipment, but still that's an accomplishment.

As far as "kia" being derogatory or "thinly veiled bias" - there's no veil and Kia/Huidai cars are for bad credit buy here pay here if you can't afford a Camry/Corolla/Accord/Civic alternative. Nothing new or secret about it.

I personally don't like newcomers, disruptors, underdogs.
Stay in your lane. BMW/Lexus/MB/Audi/Porsche make enough mass produced "luxury" cars for everyone.
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I personally don't like newcomers, disruptors, underdogs.
Stay in your lane. BMW/Lexus/MB/Audi/Porsche make enough mass produced "luxury" cars for everyone.
Not sure I totally agree with this part. If only because these newcomers posing a legitimate threat to the incumbents means the BMW/Lexus/MB/Audi/Porsche are forced to up their game to stay ahead of the newcomers. I think that's sort of what happened with the G series BMW's isn't it? BMW had to up their game to reclaim its throne among pressures from not only the current luxury brands but also the newcomers.

The worst thing that can happen to us consumers is these luxury brands resting on their laurels and all of a sudden we find ourselves paying premium money for a mediocre car hiding behind its brand.
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It appears a few people in this thread use "Kia" as a seemingly derogatory or negative term for the Hyundai G70.

Thinly veiled bias is laughably thin.

Are there improvements to be made to the G70? Sure. But as Hyundai's first RWD sports sedan, it's quite an accomplishment.

Objectively, the G70 is a great addition to the sport sedan competition. At a minimum, Hyundai is pushing BMW to create better products.

The G70 gives driving enthusiasts more choices...and it's offered with a manual. This fact alone is quite an honorable commitment from a modern auto manufacturer.
That's the only thing I'll give to Kia/Huidai/Genesis - availability of MT.
Unfortunately it's only available with their 4 cylinder model and less equipment, but still that's an accomplishment.

As far as "kia" being derogatory or "thinly veiled bias" - there's no veil and Kia/Huidai cars are for bad credit buy here pay here if you can't afford a Camry/Corolla/Accord/Civic alternative. Nothing new or secret about it.

I personally don't like newcomers, disruptors, underdogs.
Stay in your lane. BMW/Lexus/MB/Audi/Porsche make enough mass produced "luxury" cars for everyone.
I don't know, some really good cars come out of the "disrupters" the first generation Lexus IS and the third/fourth generation G35/37 were pretty good Japanese Sport Sedans. The G in particular was close to stepping on BMW's toes back in the day. Sadly now though, neither brand makes anything as compelling. I see the G70 as a great replacement for those who might have owned an IS or G in the past.
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For many years it was easy to walk into any store and buy a Rolex. This has only changed in the past 5 years. Why? Social media garbage.

I just bought a Jaeger LeCoultre and every shop I went to try and peddled me a Rolex and I laughed....it's as generic as a luxury watch gets IMO. The fact that it's heavily copied is true; but doesn't make it any more appealing to me.

The fact is, BMW in 2019 is not the same as BMW in 1989 or even 1999. They aren't making cars that are invincibly cool; they are making cars to sell a badge. There's nothing inherently "cool" about BMW right now, IMO. As uncool as Kia/Hyundai seems it's not that far off the BMW track as you seem to think...
You're a funny chap, the JL can be viewed as uncool as well, I raise you my imaginary A. Lange & Sohne. Since when is the cool factor a requirement for car purchase lol. Epic nonsense, the 3er was never a cool car, a Bugatti can be considered cool but not a BMW, unless we are talking about an M1. BMW is in the business of selling mass produced cars and turning a profit, that has always been the case.
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For many years it was easy to walk into any store and buy a Rolex. This has only changed in the past 5 years. Why? Social media garbage.

I just bought a Jaeger LeCoultre and every shop I went to try and peddled me a Rolex and I laughed....it's as generic as a luxury watch gets IMO. The fact that it's heavily copied is true; but doesn't make it any more appealing to me.

The fact is, BMW in 2019 is not the same as BMW in 1989 or even 1999. They aren't making cars that are invincibly cool; they are making cars to sell a badge. There's nothing inherently "cool" about BMW right now, IMO. As uncool as Kia/Hyundai seems it's not that far off the BMW track as you seem to think...
You're a funny chap, the JL can be viewed as uncool as well, I raise you my imaginary A. Lange & Sohne. Since when is the cool factor a requirement for car purchase lol. Epic nonsense, the 3er was never a cool car, a Bugatti can be considered cool but not a BMW, unless we are talking about an M1. BMW is in the business of selling mass produced cars and turning a profit, that has always been the case.
It's a family car who cares.

It's not an enthusiast car.

It's cross shopped with mini SUV's
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I don't know, some really good cars come out of the "disrupters" the first generation Lexus IS and the third/fourth generation G35/37 were pretty good Japanese Sport Sedans. The G in particular was close to stepping on BMW's toes back in the day. Sadly now though, neither brand makes anything as compelling. I see the G70 as a great replacement for those who might have owned an IS or G in the past.
I have to ask truly out of curiosity. You've been posting and commenting about that Kia since day 1.
Why do you care so much about it, you've got the best BMW car currently made M2 Comp and a very respectable MB. Who the f cares about some Kia that's trying to break in somewhere it doesn't belong.
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