[Loma]

Kinda funny to see people want a car build for track but can't recognize racing gloves.

[Ghostriderf80]

Originally Posted by murdrdf82

275 up front 285 rear I believe.

That is pretty wide up front, close to a square set up.

[123sub]

New M cars sucks. New EU sound regulations from 2019-2026 destroys the sound, and everything the driver/passenger hears is fake. EPS vs the better hydraulic, and the NA is long gone (7years). The look is good imo, minus the 4-series+G80. I always drive manual, but maybe more euro buyers of the next M2/M3/M4 will choose the manual version, like they do in the US, because the last M car with the DCT will be the M2. 2010-2020, the decade almost everything went down.....

[Zodiac]

Originally Posted by marvinp

Definitely feels like BMW has been trying to save cost by sharing things across models. Like the M3/M4 having the same engine as the X3M/X4M.

It makes no sense to make different engines, if they have (or are expected to have) the same weight, power and cylinder count.

I also don't like the new M promo, it is fine as a product promo showcasing "we have that, because of this", but for the M-fans I would expect something more charismatic and full of driving emotions from track. It does not look appealing the the target audience at all.

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by marvinp

Definitely feels like BMW has been trying to save cost by sharing things across models. Like the M3/M4 having the same engine as the X3M/X4M.

"It was difficult to make a good M car because of so many bean counters." - Biermann

[AD18]

Originally Posted by somer

Albert Biermann:

Quote:
But the key thing was that M was heading somewhere I didn’t want to go. The guys who used to do crazy projects were gone. So I was thinking maybe Hyundai isn’t a bad idea at the end of my career. Then a few things happened, like the double-clutch transmission was canceled for the M5, and I thought, “This is not my game anymore,” and I left. My plan had been to retire after this M5 launched, but suddenly I had a new adventure.

Good on him, as an engineer myself you want to have the freedom to innovate and improve on what you have. If it was me, I'd be looking to see how the DCT could be improved in terms of shift speed and driveability - see PDK as a prime example of something to aim towards. I admire him for sticking to his guns and going elsewhere. But alas, imagine if he had stayed, we could be waiting for the unveiling of something quite special.

[AD18]

Originally Posted by FrozenE92M3

Damn I guess I'm a 27 year old dinosaur since I'm (rightfully) bitching about this mess. I'm usually tolerant with people's opinion and try my best to put myself in their shoes, but you can stick your opinion up your ass.

Yeah, add me to the list of this new young disgruntled dinosaur species too

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

I love ❤️ my DCT

I stand corrected if that's the case

I believe the reason for M using the M8SpeedAuto is the complexity of the AWD system as well as the extra horse power

The only reason they are going 8AT is cost saving.

It would have been possible to develop a DCT that can handle AWD and more torque (even the current DCT can handle the S58 torque), other manufacturers have done so.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Thunderstorm

You realise it's the sales to all those average Joes that make building an M Car financially feasible in the first Place? They won't bother developing a Car for 100 so called "Enthusiasts".

Not quite. There were days where it was the average Joes buying the base non-M models that financed the niche M models produced in rather low volumes. Now BMW has more variants carrying the M badge than without

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Ghostriderf80

That is pretty wide up front, close to a square set up.

It’s not possible to conclude this by the nominal sizes alone. Nominal sizes tell little about the contact patch width


Those are the same sizes as the M5 and M8 and on these cars the PS4S front are 9.2” wide while the rears are 10.1” wide, 0.9” difference, far from square.

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by marvinp

Definitely feels like BMW has been trying to save cost by sharing things across models. Like the M3/M4 having the same engine as the X3M/X4M.

It has been this way for decades. It's automotive manufacturing 101.

[mbanck]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Not quite. There were days where it was the average Joes buying the base non-M models that financed the niche M models produced in rather low volumes. Now BMW has more variants carrying the M badge than without

That's only true for north america, where BMW only offers the 330i, (the 330e maybe?), the M340i and the M3.

In Europe, you get 330e, 318i, 320i, 330i, 318d, 320d and 330d, besides the M340i and the M340d (and the M3 of course).

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by mbanck

That's only true for north america, where BMW only offers the 330i, (the 330e maybe?), the M340i and the M3.

In Europe, you get 330e, 318i, 320i, 330i, 318d, 320d and 330d, besides the M340i and the M340d (and the M3 of course).

Dont forget the variants within the M lineup: base/competition/CS/CSL

[FormulaMMM]

Assuming PS4S -

275/35-19 front
285/30-20 rear

Tread width is 9.8" front vs 9.9" rear.

For reference, GTS is 9.1" front vs 10.3" rear.

rwd comp version should be able to spin 360's.

[kyrix1st]

I have a feeling history will not be kind to this generation of M3/4s, perhaps even worse than the 996 generation. At least those 911s had an admirable level of engineering prowess with one of the latest Mezger engines.

This on the other hand is engineering purely to maximize profit.
Not a single strive for achieving what M stands for: to provide “distinguished drivers” with something elemental, of motorsport.

Even less enthusiast recipe vs F8x, more soccer moms incoming.

[e90335e36m3]

What's the logic for offering less HP in the 6 speed model? The market for the 6 speed is already almost non-existent, now they're tying it to a watered-down engine. Seems like they want to kill off the manual once and for all for the future generations.

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by e90335e36m3

What's the logic for offering less HP in the 6 speed model? The market for the 6 speed is already almost non-existent, now they're tying it to a watered-down engine. Seems like they want to kill off the manual once and for all for the future generations.

Before learning that the Comp version will be offered rwd as well, would have suggested hp limitation in the interest of drivability. Does seem they're trying to steer the audience in a particular direction..

[Gizmo 335i]

Originally Posted by e90335e36m3

What's the logic for offering less HP in the 6 speed model? The market for the 6 speed is already almost non-existent, now they're tying it to a watered-down engine. Seems like they want to kill off the manual once and for all for the future generations.

Yup. Manufacture a lower take rate and then say the take rate is so low that we have to abandon it.

[M3GymNut]

Originally Posted by LOW4LYF

I couldn't agree more! Seriously...

One fact why I sold my lovely F82 is the F8x community. Once cars getting cheap and slammed by kids it's time to move for me for something new.

With $700 CS leases the F8x got just to affordable... sorry!

So you're meaning to tell me that the reason why you sold your car is because of what others do to their own? Sounds like a quality of life...

[Gonven]

Originally Posted by velvet_F82

Bring back Biermann, y'all fucked up and diluted the shit out of the M-brand.

This ffs
So true

[M3GymNut]

Originally Posted by The Automotive Enthusiast

So basically, 4000lbs.

So basically you're saying a difference of 200-250lbs. is the same?

[M3GymNut]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

And that's the problem, too many "average Joes" getting into these car.

Funny, the average joes are the majority that buy these cars that allow bmw to make a profit so you can buy your M4 and enjoy it and use it on the track...