[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

Assuming PS4S -

275/35-19 front
285/30-20 rear

Tread width is 9.8" front vs 9.9" rear.

For reference, GTS is 9.1" front vs 10.3" rear.

rwd comp version should be able to spin 360's.

Car manufacturers can alter the tread width of their specific tires to optimize it for the chassis. As I posted previously, the 275/285 PS4S used on the M5/8 are 9.2" and 10.1" inches wide respectively.

[Mavus]

Originally Posted by e90335e36m3

What's the logic for offering less HP in the 6 speed model? The market for the 6 speed is already almost non-existent, now they're tying it to a watered-down engine. Seems like they want to kill off the manual once and for all for the future generations.

most likely to compensate for the drivetrain losses due to tq converter on zf auto model and ensure the manual is NOT faster

[secretariat]

A couple of things to take away from reading this entire thread
1) BMW M division is intentionally moving driver's away from a manual transmission by lowering the horsepower available on the G80 compared to the Automatics
2) The driver is wearing racing gloves
3)The driver is German therefore not enthusiastic
4) You can get an Automatic Competition 4 wheel drive version, or a Automatic RWD or an manual RWD but not the same HP. I think, I don't know I forgot.
I have been driving BMW's for 27 years and really enjoyed most of them. It is a business and BMW is no different, people are always going to complain. Here is my .02 cents worth of complaining since I am a dinosaur. The M3 could look like an as*h*ole in the front but if it had 480 horsepower with the manual transmission (basically for us dinosaurs since the poster who brought up this dinosaur thing probably doesn't know how to drive one) and HYDRAULIC STEERING I would be the first on line to buy.

[123sub]

Originally Posted by e90335e36m3

What's the logic for offering less HP in the 6 speed model? The market for the 6 speed is already almost non-existent, now they're tying it to a watered-down engine. Seems like they want to kill off the manual once and for all for the future generations.

"The Pure is the only M3/M4 offered with a manual gearbox because BMW has no stickshift that can handle more than 480lb ft".(From Car Magazine)

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Car manufacturers can alter the tread width of their specific tires to optimize it for the chassis. As I posted previously, the 275/285 PS4S used on the M5/8 are 9.2" and 10.1" inches wide respectively.

I know, speculating. the video shows a 275/35-19 100Y front spec. That's 9.9 in the current PS4S catalog.

Speccing taller but effectively equal to 265/35-19 tread width would be an odd choice, "artificially" narrowing, not in keeping with what M seem to be indicating re front axle and tire grip. But we'll see.

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by 123sub

"The Pure is the only M3/M4 offered with a manual gearbox because BMW has no stickshift that can handle more than 480lb ft".(From Car Magazine)

That's BS. Surely BMW could find a driveshaft or make one, preferrably CFRP driveshaft like the last gen F8x, for F1x M5/6 MT that could handle 680Nm(502 ft lbs) 10 years ago to fit into M3.

Like I said, pure engineering to ///Maximize profit.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by 123sub

"The Pure is the only M3/M4 offered with a manual gearbox because BMW has no stickshift that can handle more than 480lb ft".(From Car Magazine)

Didn't the F10 M5 which had a manual have more torque than that?

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

I know, speculating. the video shows a 275/35-19 100Y front spec. That's 9.9 in the current PS4S catalog.

Speccing taller but effectively equal to 265/35-19 tread width would be an odd choice, "artificially" narrowing, not in keeping with what M seem to be indicating re front axle and tire grip. But we'll see.

Agreed. My point was that car manufacturers can do pretty much what they want in terms of tread width (within a margin naturally), so anything is pure speculation at this stage.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by 123sub

"The Pure is the only M3/M4 offered with a manual gearbox because BMW has no stickshift that can handle more than 480lb ft".(From Car Magazine)

What about the 6MT that was used in the F10 M5 (it had 500lb-ft)?

Still, at 442lb-ft, the S58 is still below that 480lb-ft quoted limit.

[KevM2]

Horrible video but at least it made for an entertaining read in the comments here

[JayPichardo]

I want this car and I want it bad.

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Agreed. My point was that car manufacturers can do pretty much what they want in terms of tread width (within a margin naturally), so anything is pure speculation at this stage.

Trying to read the tea leaves… Repeat front axle mentions, "the right wheel and tire dimension… wider tires, much wider tires than the predecessor… leads superbly from the front axle" has my attn. Reducing stagger, approaching square in combination with M xDrive sounds like a strong formula. (But then I don't know how they'll keep the rwd comp version pointed straight.)

OE PSS 275/35-19 rear was 9.6" tread width btw. Sticking more than that on the front end is probably wishful thinking on my part. But it depends upon their reference points. If they're paying attn to American road + track car successes, and care to compete, they're going to throw some rubber at the problem. The latest GT350 is an 11.8" section width front. 10.6" tread width front on the SS 1LE. Etc.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

The only reason they are going 8AT is cost saving.

It would have been possible to develop a DCT that can handle AWD and more torque (even the current DCT can handle the S58 torque), other manufacturers have done so.

Absolutely - One of the many things to completely go away

A given considering how much money BMW is spending on Electrification

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

Trying to read the tea leaves… Repeat front axle mentions, "the right wheel and tire dimension… wider tires, much wider tires than the predecessor… leads superbly from the front axle" has my attn. Reducing stagger, approaching square in combination with M xDrive sounds like a strong formula. (But then I don't know how they'll keep the rwd comp version pointed straight.)

OE PSS 275/35-19 rear was 9.6" tread width btw. Sticking more than that on the front end is probably wishful thinking on my part. But it depends upon their reference points. If they're paying attn to American road + track car successes, and care to compete, they're going to throw some rubber at the problem. The latest GT350 is an 11.8" section width front. 10.6" tread width front on the SS 1LE. Etc.

The generic 275/35R19 PSS had a 10.2" wide tread (that's what I had on the rear of my E92 )

Maybe we can hope for an effective square setup, with the different nominal sizes just to differentiate the front and rear spec tire.

[BMthusiast]

Originally Posted by antzcrashing

Slightly off topic but are the M3 M4 AWD confirmed to have the option to switch dynamically from AWD to RWD modes? Also, any chance this translates to non-M or M40s?

We've seen Mission Performance give the X3M an option to select RWD in iDrive (https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1734851. It might be possible eventually for non-M G series sedans and coupes equipped with xDrive, we'll see. The upcoming G8x's with MxDrive are going to have the RWD option out of the box though. Just like the F90.

[123sub]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

That's BS. Surely BMW could find a driveshaft or make one, preferrably CFRP driveshaft like the last gen F8x, for F1x M5/6 MT that could handle 680Nm(502 ft lbs) 10 years ago to fit into M3.

Like I said, pure engineering to ///Maximize profit.

Agree with you. They had manual on the E6x and F1x M5/M6 in North America, but that was the answer BMW gave.

[xlover]

Alot of hate for this engineer, who clearly is not practiced on camera, just trying to give fans another tidbit, another look at the car in motion, before the reveal....

[LOW4LYF]

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

So you're meaning to tell me that the reason why you sold your car is because of what others do to their own? Sounds like a quality of life...

Yes, and I might do the same with the G80.

Get it new and get rid of it once the bro generation starts liking this cars. The cheapest F8x are below 30K, the community changed dramatically.

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

So basically you're saying a difference of 200-250lbs. is the same?

Are you saying it's not? This isn't a 911. In the real world where the M3 is going to be sitting in traffic with the adaptive cruise feature enabled,

The weight of the car make no difference whatsoever. I understand we're a forum of passionate enthusiasts but keep in mind the guys taking it to the gym and then grocery shopping and then out for date night is never going to feel the difference. The M3 is a sports sedan. Not a sports car.

[-EndOfAnEra-]

Originally Posted by wayman519

These forums use to be all of us awing at the car and bragging about how it is so much better than, mercedes, audi, porsche, infinity, Cadillac , lexus etc. Now its just people saying come on give this car a chance. We are on these forums because we loved BMWs from before we could drive. We have lived through 2 BMW generations before we could drive, and maybe another before justifying paying for one or more. We know these cars even though we have not owned them all. We wanted most of them until now. Paul Rosche is gone, Biermann left, BMW have no F1 team. Might be time to look elsewhere for a proper driving experience.

Spot on. I'm a big fan of what my M340i does well, but it isn't perfect and a lot of that imperfection is frustrating because it is what BMW did so very well for years.

I think that the other lux-lite guys making drivers cars definitely have the classic ultimate driving machine concept in their sights. Cadillac came SO CLOSE. Genesis will either season the recipe into perfection or spill salt all over it. Watch out for the next Mazda6, rumored to be RWD with an inline-6!!

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by LOW4LYF

Idk but some people think M Cars are top of the line!

Every M Car (except some as GTS etc.) are just sportier production cars, that's it!
You can take the G80 to get a coffee, or something heavy at home depot but also next day to the track.

These cars are perfect all-rounder, that's it.

I bet 80 percent of all M drivers can't even push their own car to the limit.

You would win that bet 9 times out of 10.

[M3GymNut]

Originally Posted by The Automotive Enthusiast

Are you saying it's not? This isn't a 911. In the real world where the M3 is going to be sitting in traffic with the adaptive cruise feature enabled,

The weight of the car make no difference whatsoever. I understand we're a forum of passionate enthusiasts but keep in mind the guys taking it to the gym and then grocery shopping and then out for date night is never going to feel the difference. The M3 is a sports sedan. Not a sports car.

I don't know about you but when I add my friend to go to the "gym" and he weighs about 220lbs I do feel the difference. Do I care about the difference? No at all, but I can feel it and I always prefer to drive my F80 by myself honestly.