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View Poll Results: How Important is the Manual Gearbox?
Very Important - I will not consider the G80 unless a Manual Gearbox is offered. 134 50.95%
Quite Important - I strongly prefer MT. If not offered, I would strongly consider competitors. 35 13.31%
Somewhat Important - I enjoy driving MT, but am open to DCT or ZF 8AT. 34 12.93%
Not Important/Indifferent - I don't care, 6MT, DCT, ZF 8AT, doesn't matter. 15 5.70%
I don't like Manual Transmissions. 11 4.18%
I think it would be great if BMW still offers a manual transmission for those who want it, but I prefer faster shifts 34 12.93%
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      09-18-2018, 06:51 PM   #23
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I think that this is exactly the issue. The MT guys (like me) know our days are numbered and didn't really consider any of the F80/82's competitors since it was the only car with an MT. If the next gen simply becomes a "me too", then all options are open to us. We may still chose a BMW, but we will certainly cross-shop Audi and Merc.
Perfectly said, Sir. When I got my F80, the Merc and Audi were not considered.


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Can you add an option as manual only offered in American cars only and raised two inches on leaf springs. Cmon its 2018 and manual?? most cars stepped away from that. I would never ever go back to manual - i thought it was important before, but truly it sucks.
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I really hope manual is not offered just for the reason that my manual F8x///M will then hold its value if not go up haha
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      09-21-2018, 04:54 PM   #26
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I really hope manual is not offered just for the reason that my manual F8x///M will then hold its value if not go up haha
Yup just like every other M car that's held it's value
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So for everyone who says they're out if no manual, what will you drive that has one? Porsche? Corvette? Not many options anymore...
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I leased my F32 so I could roll out of it easily if the G82 came in manual (and I liked it). If not I'll hold onto it and save up for a 992. More power, better dynamics, and an extra gear. Porsche has been my dream car for a while now, so an even better reason to upgrade. Just a loooot more expensive.

I like coupes so I have a few other options. But I don't know what options will be available for 4-door folks.
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I leased my F32 so I could roll out of it easily if the G82 came in manual (and I liked it). If not I'll hold onto it and save up for a 992. More power, better dynamics, and an extra gear. Porsche has been my dream car for a while now, so an even better reason to upgrade. Just a loooot more expensive.

I like coupes so I have a few other options. But I don't know what options will be available for 4-door folks.
I'll take the 911 with 6 gears! Extra gear is weird to me.

I'll be getting a manual M3 if it's offered. My wife would like it much better. I had a '15 F80 and my wife was really not very interested in it bc it was DCT. Got a '16 with 6MT and she loved it. Go figure.
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So for everyone who says they're out if no manual, what will you drive that has one? Porsche? Corvette? Not many options anymore...
The point is, it actually opens up MORE options. If you need a high powered four door car, then you can now pick between cars like the RS4, Giulia QV, C63/s. Even for the lower trimmed cars, you can start looking at Jaguar XE or Volvo S60 or Lexus IS instead of a regular 3 series. A lot of people "have" to buy a sedan. If the manual is no longer an option, then they can open up to a much bigger market of cars, or just buy a used car.

For those lucky enough to be able to get a car like a 718, 911, Z06, ZL1, or GT350, that's awesome. In the world of sport coupes, there are a ton a of manual transmission options. GOOD options too. If the M4 drops the manual, then you'll see a LOT of defectors. That's why it makes sense that they might just offer both the M3 and M4 in a manual. Although, it still doesn't make sense why they'd offer the M3/M4 in a manual but not the 3/4 series. They're similar enough that it'd be a trivial thing.
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Based on G20 interior reveal today, it doesn't seem the center console is designed for a MT
I wouldn't say the nail is in the coffin just yet.

In Europe, at least one G20 model (320d) is still available with 6MT.

So it's still physically possible, however bleak the chances.
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Based on G20 interior reveal today, it doesn't seem the center console is designed for a MT
Somewhere floating in the threads is a pic from the European configurator for the 320d and it has the manual center console layout.

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The point is, it actually opens up MORE options. If you need a high powered four door car, then you can now pick between cars like the RS4, Giulia QV, C63/s. Even for the lower trimmed cars, you can start looking at Jaguar XE or Volvo S60 or Lexus IS instead of a regular 3 series. A lot of people "have" to buy a sedan. If the manual is no longer an option, then they can open up to a much bigger market of cars, or just buy a used car.
So using your rather logic I can tell my motorcycle friend... hey listen... you know... if you can just drop your silly preference for only 2 wheels, you'll open up MORE options... to the whole world of cars! Imagine that!
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So using your rather logic I can tell my motorcycle friend... hey listen... you know... if you can just drop your silly preference for only 2 wheels, you'll open up MORE options... to the whole world of cars! Imagine that!
I don't think you quite understand what I'm saying. I personally will not buy the G20 if there is no manual option. I'm saying that if there are NO manual RWD sedans for sale, then you have to pick an automatic which allows you to choose between more cars. The F30 was not a very special car but a lot of manual die-hards bought them because it was one of the last high powered RWD sedans with a manual. If BMW ditches that option, then what's stopping those people (and me) from shopping elsewhere? Unless the G20 comes closer to Alfa Giulia levels of driving dynamics, you might as well cross shop MB, Audi, Lexus, and maybe even Genesis now.

If I'm not mistaken, there are plenty of bikes your friend can choose from so there's no reason to buy a car if he doesn't want to.
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So using your rather logic I can tell my motorcycle friend... hey listen... you know... if you can just drop your silly preference for only 2 wheels, you'll open up MORE options... to the whole world of cars! Imagine that!
Yeah you're not getting it. It's more like if your friend said he had to have a bike with a color that's unique to one brand. He might be paying more for a slower, less capable bike just because that specific bike is the only one offering something that important to him. If that brand stopped selling bikes in that color but he wanted a bike anyway, it would open up the option for him to explore other bikes that are a better value.

So where people would buy BMWs in the last few years because it's the only one with a manual trans, now they are more free to explore other brands that have more power, cost less, look better, depreciate less, etc. Because either way they won't get the manual trans they wish was offered.
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I don't think you quite understand what I'm saying. I personally will not buy the G20 if there is no manual option. I'm saying that if there are NO manual RWD sedans for sale, then you have to pick an automatic which allows you to choose between more cars. The F30 was not a very special car but a lot of manual die-hards bought them because it was one of the last high powered RWD sedans with a manual. If BMW ditches that option, then what's stopping those people (and me) from shopping elsewhere? Unless the G20 comes closer to Alfa Giulia levels of driving dynamics, you might as well cross shop MB, Audi, Lexus, and maybe even Genesis now.

If I'm not mistaken, there are plenty of bikes your friend can choose from so there's no reason to buy a car if he doesn't want to.
I don't think you understand what I'm saying. If you put a "must have" restriction on anything you're obviously restricting your choices and if you lift that restriction, your choices obviously increase. For example, had I lifted the restriction that my manual car should be a luxury high powered sports sedan, then I would've had other many other options besides the F80. So my point was your "more choices" point is a moot point and I was being sarcastic about it with the bike analogy.

I am one of those manual buyers who will consider other brands if BMW ditches so I know where you're coming form. However, BMW has obviously concluded that the cost/benefit favors ditching and they have accepted that a few people may shop elsewhere and your "threat" that you may choose another brand falls on deaf ears.
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Yeah you're not getting it. It's more like if your friend said he had to have a bike with a color that's unique to one brand. He might be paying more for a slower, less capable bike just because that specific bike is the only one offering something that important to him. If that brand stopped selling bikes in that color but he wanted a bike anyway, it would open up the option for him to explore other bikes that are a better value.

So where people would buy BMWs in the last few years because it's the only one with a manual trans, now they are more free to explore other brands that have more power, cost less, look better, depreciate less, etc. Because either way they won't get the manual trans they wish was offered.
No, you don't get it. His original quote that I responded to was:

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The point is, it actually opens up MORE options. If you need a high powered four door car, then you can now pick between cars like the RS4, Giulia QV, C63/s. Even for the lower trimmed cars, you can start looking at Jaguar XE or Volvo S60 or Lexus IS instead of a regular 3 series. A lot of people "have" to buy a sedan. If the manual is no longer an option, then they can open up to a much bigger market of cars, or just buy a used car.
Clearly, his point here was if you were to lift the manual restriction then you have "MORE options." I just extended that analogy scarcastically to say that if you were to lift the 2 wheel option, you also have more options. Understand now?

And the F80 wasn't the "only one" with manual transmission. The ATS-V also had manual. But if you were to restrict that it had to be German, then, yes, the F80 was the only one. But this again goes to the general point that the less restrictions you impose the more choices you have, so it's moot and stating the obvious.

But as I explained above to upsidedownfunnel, BMW doesn't care if you cross shop because the take up on manuals is immaterial, so go ahead, make their day.
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The Golf R is a fine car (almost bought one). But the CTR has far more character. The Golf R is good at a lot of things, but not great at any one thing. Maybe you could say it has the best interior, but at $40k you can get other cars with better interiors. Also, it costs $40k now. The CTR can be had for $35k (theoretically).
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Now that g20 M340i won't have a manual, I might have to step up to G80 M3.
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Anyone know the actual % of F80 M3s that were sold with a manual? as from the Poll, 2/3 say its very important or somewhat important.

I personally would never get an M3 without a Manual. If everyone is so concerned about an auto being faster, and this is one of the reasons why you would buy an auto, there are many ways to fix this issue on an M3 manual
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