[Hegge]

Originally Posted by unfoundnemo

Before or after the move to a 4-pot?

There is always the Mercedes GT 4 door models or stretch for a Panamera.

[khanyam4]

992 s

[Glina]

So my lease on my F80 competition was coming to an end and I started looking at M5s Competition. Ended up buying brand new GTR Premium.

[Ghostriderf80]

GTR is also a consideration.

[omaralt]

Originally Posted by solstice

That’s what, ~$30k depreciation in 2y and 8.5k miles? That’s more than my last M3’s has depreciated in 4y and 40k miles. So for the 911 holding value better, maybe in percentage but in absolute dollar value?

original MSRP was $105k. Sold 2.5 years later for $82k. much better than my M3

My M3 was around mid $70s and was offered low $50s a year later. so the M3 depreciated MUCH more

[solstice]

Originally Posted by omaralt

original MSRP was $105k. Sold 2.5 years later for $82k. much better than my M3

My M3 was around mid $70s and was offered low $50s a year later. so the M3 depreciated MUCH more

Seems you were unlucky with your M3 or trashed it. I never had an M3 with the dollar depreciation of your P-car.

[omaralt]

Originally Posted by solstice

Seems you were unlucky with your M3 or trashed it. I never had an M3 with the dollar depreciation of your P-car.

not sure where you live; but an M3/4 will definitely depreciate more than 23k in 2.5 years.

and it was actually it great shape.

but you cant look at the dollar amount; but the percentage. and an M3 definitely has a much higher depreciation curve than the porsche. But then again bmw has a lot more incentives and you can easily get 10% off of a new car..

[solstice]

Originally Posted by omaralt

not sure where you live; but an M3/4 will definitely depreciate more than 23k in 2.5 years.

and it was actually it great shape.

but you cant look at the dollar amount; but the percentage. and an M3 definitely has a much higher depreciation curve than the porsche. But then again bmw has a lot more incentives and you can easily get 10% off of a new car..

My budgeting is done in dollars not percent. So yeah I can and will look at the dollar amount and nothing else for a depreciating asset

Appreciating investments is the opposite, percentage is king.

You have been taken advantage of, $23k is very close to what I’ve seen over 4 years and 40k miles on my M3s. Brush up on your negotiation skills of purchase price and trade-in.

[omaralt]

Originally Posted by solstice

My budgeting is done in dollars not percent. So yeah I can and will look at the dollar amount and nothing else for a depreciating asset

Appreciating investments is the opposite, percentage is king.

You have been taken advantage of, $23k is very close to what I’ve seen over 4 years and 40k miles on my M3s. Brush up on your negotiation skills of purchase price and trade-in.

lol thank you but anybody who deals in dollars and not percentages is not somebody to take any financial advice from

[solstice]

Originally Posted by omaralt

lol thank you but anybody who deals in dollars and not percentages is not somebody to take any financial advice from

So in your world losing $30k in 2 years is less than $25k in 4 years? Thanks but I’ll stick to my math

With the M3 you also have another $50k available to invest in appreciating assets to further the gap.

[omaralt]

Originally Posted by solstice

So in your world losing $30k is less than $25k in 4 years? Thanks but I’ll stick to my math

With the M3 you also have another $50k available to invest in appreciating assets to further the gap.

i've really tried to stop myself but you are an idiot.

i'll try to keep this simple for you

if you own an investment account with a million dollars and then it lost $200k of value. you have lost 20% of your investment

if you have a $200k investment account and suddenly it lost $100k of value you have lost 50% of your investment

nobody in the financial world deals with straight dollars; its value

now back to the cars.

a 2018 bmw m3 with a MSRP of around $80k with 12k miles is now worth (according to kbb) $53k (trade in according to kbb). so it lost 33% of it's value

a 2018 porsche 911 with an msrp of $105k and 12k miles is now worth $75k (trade in according to kbb) so it lost 28% of its value

so it doesnt matter what you think , or how you want to twist it, the bmw depreciates faster. thats a fact. twist the facts however you want to make yourself feel better

having said all that these are cars that depreciate quickly. none of these are collector cars. i dont buy what i think will hold value better or will be worth more. i'm blessed to be able to pay cash for my cars and not worry if i lose tens of thousands over a year or two.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by omaralt

i've really tried to stop myself but you are an idiot.

i'll try to keep this simple for you

if you own an investment account with a million dollars and then it lost $200k of value. you have lost 20% of your investment

if you have a $200k investment account and suddenly it lost $100k of value you have lost 50% of your investment

nobody in the financial world deals with straight dollars; its value

now back to the cars.

a 2018 bmw m3 with a MSRP of around $80k with 12k miles is now worth (according to kbb) $53k (trade in according to kbb). so it lost 33% of it's value

a 2018 porsche 911 with an msrp of $105k and 12k miles is now worth $75k (trade in according to kbb) so it lost 28% of its value

so it doesnt matter what you think , or how you want to twist it, the bmw depreciates faster. thats a fact. twist the facts however you want to make yourself feel better

having said all that these are cars that depreciate quickly. none of these are collector cars. i dont buy what i think will hold value better or will be worth more. i'm blessed to be able to pay cash for my cars and not worry if i lose tens of thousands over a year or two.

Already in my first response to you I noted that in percentage the M3 might be depreciating faster but not in dollar amount. I’m not arguing that the depreciation rate might be faster.

But with the P-car you lock in more money and you loose more money. What matters to you, the depreciation rate or the dollars lost?

Anyhow I think you just guaranteed that our bickering here will be deleted by the name calling so this will be my last comment on this.

[omaralt]

Originally Posted by solstice

Already in my first response to you I noted that in percentage the M3 might be depreciating faster but not in dollar amount. I’m not arguing that the depreciation rate might be faster.

But with the P-car you lock in more money and you loose more money. What matters to you, the depreciation rate or the dollars lost?

Anyhow I think you just guaranteed that our bickering here will be deleted by the name calling so this will be my last comment on this.

i'll be nice dont worry

yes, i've decided at this point that i'm not willing to lose that much money anymore. and thats why i picked up a CPO 911. It's already lost the biggest chunk of it's value and i can probably drive it a year and sell it for 4-5K less than what i paid. The used car market is so crazy right now i can probably sell it for more than i paid for it

[solstice]

Originally Posted by omaralt

i'll be nice dont worry

yes, i've decided at this point that i'm not willing to lose that much money anymore. and thats why i picked up a CPO 911. It's already lost the biggest chunk of it's value and i can probably drive it a year and sell it for 4-5K less than what i paid. The used car market is so crazy right now i can probably sell it for more than i paid for it

Enjoy it, great car and going used is usually less costly. Hope it works out for you.

[CanAutM3]

E46, I had a deposit 9 months prior release
E92, I had a deposit 6 months prior release
F82, I had a deposit 6 months prior release
F82cs, I had a deposit over 12 months prior release
G82, I'll wait until I can test drive one...

[swagon]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

E46, I had a deposit 9 months prior release
E92, I had a deposit 6 months prior release
F82, I had a deposit 6 months prior release
F82cs, I had a deposit over 12 months prior release
G82, I'll wait until I can test drive one...

Is it the styling and/or the ZF slushbox that you're worried about?

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by swagon

Is it the styling and/or the ZF slushbox that you're worried about?

Size, weight and planetary auto.

[KoenG]

Originally Posted by Imola3

No competition pack with a manual is

They probably don't have a MT that can cope with 650Nm.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by KoenG

They probably don't have a MT that can cope with 650Nm.

What about the one that was in the F10 M5?

[swagon]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Size, weight and planetary auto.

Yeah, I wouldn't be happy about either of those aspect.

The lack of DCT is pretty disappointing and puzzling to me; increase in size is unfortunately a given in this day and age.

I would think thrice about getting rid of your CS.

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by KoenG

They probably don't have a MT that can cope with 650Nm.

Good job its only got 600nm then.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by swagon

Yeah, I wouldn't be happy about either of those aspect.

The lack of DCT is pretty disappointing and puzzling to me; increase in size is unfortunately a given in this day and age.

I would think thrice about getting rid of your CS.

I'll hold on to it for another year, but it will need to be replaced at some point.