Bimmerpost
3
/
4 Series
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
2019+ BMW 3 AND 4-SERIES FORUMS (G2x Generation) General G20 Sedan / G22 Coupe / G26 Gran Coupe Discussions I知 glad the G20 brings back the solid door feel

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      06-08-2019, 10:41 AM   #23
sspdw
Private First Class
71
Rep
130
Posts

Drives: bmw m140
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: sweden

iTrader: (0)

The lci always a notch better, i would rank it F30-E90-G20 not that F30 is bad but its not as solid as E90 and G20. But e46 and E90 had multipe other quality issues. E46 subframe is a joke, and shitty cooling systems. E90 had unreliable engines n53, n54, n47 has major designflaws.
Appreciate 0
      06-08-2019, 10:53 AM   #24
laidback93
Private
27
Rep
62
Posts

Drives: 2020 M340i, 1990 325is
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Phoenix

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by F30ZHP View Post
Well to each his own. I like my F30 far more than my E92.
Ahh the old F30 interiors are crap discussion.

I like my F30 interior as well. Much more than the E90.

Is it as nice as the interior in my GS350 F Sport, NO.

But I think it's the right amount of luxury and functionality. Besides, I bought my F30 for the driving aspects, not luxurious interior quality.

Oh no... I've opened another can of worms.
Appreciate 3
MmmmmM22578.00
Fhey454.50
Swappy531.50
      06-08-2019, 09:09 PM   #25
themnmd
Colonel
themnmd's Avatar
United_States
1687
Rep
2,699
Posts

Drives: 23 X5MC
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: San Rafael CA

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by agentorange View Post
Probably still not as solid as the doors on the 1988 2-door E30 I had over 20 years ago.
True my mom still has a 1989 535i , only 60k miles 🙀. Closes like a vault
Appreciate 1
      06-09-2019, 02:11 AM   #26
golf_234
Captain
318
Rep
905
Posts

Drives: E46, E90, F30
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Santa Monica

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by MT4life View Post
Yep same here, and my steering wheel center spokes were replaced twice on e90 because BMW used some cheaper rubberized spray on.
Everything else is nicer in f30 than my old e90
Quote:
Originally Posted by F30ZHP View Post
Well to each his own. I like my F30 far more than my E92.
This, the E90 was the "okayest" 3 series of all time, for the record, have had every chassis back to e36.

F30 >>>>> E90. E90 interiors were , atrocious design, nothing interesting about them at all. G20 one ups both. No idea where the E90 lover is coming from, they weren't that great of cars, ESPECIALLY from a design standpoint. E90 even broke the classic BMW design cue of the driver slanted dash, which is an atrocity in my book. Thankfully brought back in F30
__________________
Appreciate 1
Swappy531.50
      06-09-2019, 09:24 AM   #27
Sedan_Clan
Law Enforcer
Sedan_Clan's Avatar
Brazil
24825
Rep
22,224
Posts

Drives: '22 Chalk Gray Porsche C2S
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: ..in your rearview!!!

iTrader: (26)

Quote:
Originally Posted by F30ZHP View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by Germanauto View Post
F30 was so cheaply built.
Disagree. Please back up your point.
I agree. I think the quality is there.
Appreciate 1
Swappy531.50
      06-10-2019, 03:57 AM   #28
Fuller
Major
1217
Rep
1,290
Posts

Drives: F36 435i
Join Date: May 2017
Location: MA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by golf_234 View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by MT4life View Post
Yep same here, and my steering wheel center spokes were replaced twice on e90 because BMW used some cheaper rubberized spray on.
Everything else is nicer in f30 than my old e90
Quote:
Originally Posted by F30ZHP View Post
Well to each his own. I like my F30 far more than my E92.
This, the E90 was the "okayest" 3 series of all time, for the record, have had every chassis back to e36.

F30 >>>>> E90. E90 interiors were , atrocious design, nothing interesting about them at all. G20 one ups both. No idea where the E90 lover is coming from, they weren't that great of cars, ESPECIALLY from a design standpoint. E90 even broke the classic BMW design cue of the driver slanted dash, which is an atrocity in my book. Thankfully brought back in F30
The e90 love probably stems from the fact that the mainstream car journalists seemed to despise the f30, and spared no opportunity to bash it while waxing nostalgic on the fabled e90 with its interior quality. impeccable handling, and magical, telepathic steering feel.
Appreciate 1
Swappy531.50
      06-10-2019, 09:00 AM   #29
mxchris727
Captain
mxchris727's Avatar
United_States
193
Rep
666
Posts

Drives: '03 M5, '06 325i, '12 M3
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Westport, CT

iTrader: (0)

Having owned both an E90 and F30 (now back to an E93), the F30 is definitely a downgrade from a materials standpoint. You can tell when removing trim how the mount points are molded and holes drilled. Lots of cheap hard plastic too. I will say that the F30 is definitely a newer style, but when it comes to leather, vinyl, and seats the E90 generation has the F30 beaten by a lot.

Now, I drove a G20 M340 yesterday and it brought be back to my E46 days in terms of handling/responsiveness. The interior is by far the best they've ever had in a 3 series. I drove my 03 E39 540 there too (which has the best built BMW interior IMO) and can say the G20 is not slacking at all. I almost bought the car on the spot, but I really need a manual. Holding out for the next M3/4 (which I have new insights on).
__________________
BMW GT1 (INPA, DIS, WinKFP, ect..), ISTA/P & /D is up and running! PM me if you want to stop by and code your car.
Appreciate 0
      06-10-2019, 03:48 PM   #30
HighlandPete
Lieutenant General
6659
Rep
15,858
Posts

Drives: BMW F11 535i Touring
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Scotland, Highland Region

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by mxchris727 View Post
Now, I drove a G20 M340 yesterday and it brought be back to my E46 days in terms of handling/responsiveness. The interior is by far the best they've ever had in a 3 series. I drove my 03 E39 540 there too (which has the best built BMW interior IMO) and can say the G20 is not slacking at all. I almost bought the car on the spot, but I really need a manual. Holding out for the next M3/4 (which I have new insights on).
So many contradictions in these topics, on model quality.

Here we see an owner with the E39 (540i) benchmark interior, favourably commenting on the G20. We read other posters saying the build (interior quality) of the G20 is less than the F30.

So where are we? Why these contradictions?
Appreciate 0
      06-10-2019, 04:06 PM   #31
praxis218
Lieutenant
824
Rep
582
Posts

Drives: 2017 M3 DCT
Join Date: May 2005
Location: .

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by HighlandPete View Post
We read other posters saying the build (interior quality) of the G20 is less than the F30.
They're blind. G20 feels like a spaceship.
Appreciate 2
Transfer5242.50
BigSky702687.00
      06-10-2019, 05:49 PM   #32
MmmmmM2
Colonel
MmmmmM2's Avatar
2578
Rep
2,423
Posts

Drives: 2021 M2C
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Claremont, CA

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2016 Mazda CX-5  [0.00]
2021 BMW M2C  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by praxis218 View Post
They're blind. G20 feels like a spaceship.
I am going to the M Town Tour at my local dealership on June 19th and have reserved a drive with an M340i XDrive so I'll reserve the "feels like a spaceship" comment until I drive it.
Appreciate 1
praxis218823.50
      06-10-2019, 07:32 PM   #33
praxis218
Lieutenant
824
Rep
582
Posts

Drives: 2017 M3 DCT
Join Date: May 2005
Location: .

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by F30ZHP View Post
I am going to the M Town Tour at my local dealership on June 19th and have reserved a drive with an M340i XDrive so I'll reserve the "feels like a spaceship" comment until I drive it.
When I sat down inside I just felt "man this is a nice place to be!". Way more of a jump from E9x -> F3x.

I preferred the G20 interior over the M850i interior, which felt cavernous. Granted I didn't try to touch every surface but G20 was nice enough for me not to care.

The new leather feels way nicer than Dakota leather.
Appreciate 0
      06-11-2019, 04:46 PM   #34
agentorange
Major
United_States
1467
Rep
1,361
Posts

Drives: 328d
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Desert SW

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by praxis218 View Post

The new leather feels way nicer than Dakota leather.
Coming from a Jaguar XJ I must agree that Dakota leather is somewhat utilitarian. It reminds me of the leather in my 2001 Tahoe. That said, the sports seats are very comfortable.

I don't quite get why there is so much hate for the F30 interior design. I would agree that the quality of the materials and the feel of some parts is a bit of a let down. Still, it's not down to first gen XE levels, or that hideous silver plastic looking lump Mercedes put in the middle of so many of their cars a few years ago. Think Amstrad, my UK readers.
Appreciate 1
praxis218823.50
      06-11-2019, 09:01 PM   #35
BigSky702
Captain
BigSky702's Avatar
687
Rep
911
Posts

Drives: 2016 M4 Sakhir Orange
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Ohio

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by praxis218 View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by HighlandPete View Post
We read other posters saying the build (interior quality) of the G20 is less than the F30.
They're blind. G20 feels like a spaceship.
Or envious....
__________________
Current: 2020 M340i

Previous: 2016 M4 Sakhir Orange

Not too distant future: ///M3 or ///M5 (ED)
Appreciate 1
praxis218823.50
      06-13-2019, 01:10 PM   #36
Sedan_Clan
Law Enforcer
Sedan_Clan's Avatar
Brazil
24825
Rep
22,224
Posts

Drives: '22 Chalk Gray Porsche C2S
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: ..in your rearview!!!

iTrader: (26)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuller View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by golf_234 View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by MT4life View Post
Yep same here, and my steering wheel center spokes were replaced twice on e90 because BMW used some cheaper rubberized spray on.
Everything else is nicer in f30 than my old e90
Quote:
Originally Posted by F30ZHP View Post
Well to each his own. I like my F30 far more than my E92.
This, the E90 was the "okayest" 3 series of all time, for the record, have had every chassis back to e36.

F30 >>>>> E90. E90 interiors were , atrocious design, nothing interesting about them at all. G20 one ups both. No idea where the E90 lover is coming from, they weren't that great of cars, ESPECIALLY from a design standpoint. E90 even broke the classic BMW design cue of the driver slanted dash, which is an atrocity in my book. Thankfully brought back in F30
The e90 love probably stems from the fact that the mainstream car journalists seemed to despise the f30, and spared no opportunity to bash it while waxing nostalgic on the fabled e90 with its interior quality. impeccable handling, and magical, telepathic steering feel.
That's a misrepresentation. The E90 was despised just as much. Later on in the life cycle people grew to love it, but much like the the E46 and the F-Series (...and even now with the G-Series), it was met with criticism. People even initially hated the dash orientation of the E9X.
Appreciate 0
      06-13-2019, 02:15 PM   #37
The Automotive Enthusiast
Retired BMW Genius
The Automotive Enthusiast's Avatar
United_States
2888
Rep
3,404
Posts

Drives: 2018 Audi S5 Coupe
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: DMV

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by F30ZHP View Post
Disagree. Please back up your point.
It's a night and day difference after sitting in anything before a F30. The F generation of cars was just a bad generation for BMW.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by LucBroDude View Post
TRAITOR.
Quote:
Originally Posted by LucBroDude View Post
TRAITOR.
Appreciate 0
      06-13-2019, 02:49 PM   #38
MmmmmM2
Colonel
MmmmmM2's Avatar
2578
Rep
2,423
Posts

Drives: 2021 M2C
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Claremont, CA

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2016 Mazda CX-5  [0.00]
2021 BMW M2C  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mo@BMWofFairfax View Post
It's a night and day difference after sitting in anything before a F30. The F generation of cars was just a bad generation for BMW.
Again, that is your opinion. I had a 2017 Lexus IS350 F Sport before and I far prefer the interior of my F30. It drives better than the Lexus as well.

And you can back up your posts with "well EVERYONE thinks the F30 was a bad BMW" but the fact is, I love mine and I'm pretty sure other F30 owners love theirs....As do E90 owners love theirs....And so on.
Appreciate 2
530iDriver1707.50
Sedan_Clan24824.50
      06-13-2019, 07:26 PM   #39
The Automotive Enthusiast
Retired BMW Genius
The Automotive Enthusiast's Avatar
United_States
2888
Rep
3,404
Posts

Drives: 2018 Audi S5 Coupe
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: DMV

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by F30ZHP View Post
Again, that is your opinion. I had a 2017 Lexus IS350 F Sport before and I far prefer the interior of my F30. It drives better than the Lexus as well.

And you can back up your posts with "well EVERYONE thinks the F30 was a bad BMW" but the fact is, I love mine and I'm pretty sure other F30 owners love theirs....As do E90 owners love theirs....And so on.
I lived and breathed the cheapness for close to seven years. I had to deal with the cars and all the issues they had so I really don't need to backup anything.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by LucBroDude View Post
TRAITOR.
Quote:
Originally Posted by LucBroDude View Post
TRAITOR.
Appreciate 0
      06-13-2019, 07:54 PM   #40
itsglen
Private First Class
139
Rep
154
Posts

Drives: BMWs
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Aspen

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mo@BMWofFairfax View Post
I lived and breathed the cheapness for close to seven years. I had to deal with the cars and all the issues they had so I really don't need to backup anything.
Hi Mo
I'm curious, what's the back story "i lived and breathed etc...." looking at your signature should I assume that you work at BMW of Fairfax? But you drive an Audi (love Audi's I've owned 10 and one saved my life in a terrible accident) - maybe you sell BMW's but were not/are not a fan of the F30? I'm just curious what your point of reference is

Thanks

**edit** my comment went back and made me count 14 Audi's :-) (two 4000s, one 4000csq, UR, 80,90, four a4's, two S4's, A6, and 2.7 AllRoad - still think I'm forgetting one or two

Last edited by itsglen; 06-13-2019 at 08:15 PM..
Appreciate 0
      06-13-2019, 08:14 PM   #41
The Automotive Enthusiast
Retired BMW Genius
The Automotive Enthusiast's Avatar
United_States
2888
Rep
3,404
Posts

Drives: 2018 Audi S5 Coupe
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: DMV

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by itsglen View Post
Hi Mo
I'm curious, what's the back story "i lived and breathed etc...." looking at your signature should I assume that you work at BMW of Fairfax? But you drive an Audi (love Audi's I've owned 10 and one saved my life in a terrible accident) - maybe you sell BMW's but were not/are not a fan of the F30? I'm just curious what your point of reference is

Thanks
I worked for three different BMW dealerships and have only driven BMW's until I got my S5 last year. The last four BMW's I've had are: e92 328xi a e92 M3, an F30 320i xDrive, and an E70 X5. My family has had a boatload of other BMW's too.

The biggest reason I went and got an Audi was because of how cheap the F30 had become. It looked cheap and it felt cheap. The S5 felt solid all around. Excited to drive a G20 and see BMW go back to being BMW.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by LucBroDude View Post
TRAITOR.
Quote:
Originally Posted by LucBroDude View Post
TRAITOR.

Last edited by The Automotive Enthusiast; 06-13-2019 at 08:20 PM..
Appreciate 1
530iDriver1707.50
      06-13-2019, 08:31 PM   #42
chenry
Colonel
United_States
2346
Rep
2,964
Posts

Drives: BMWs
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: SoCal Huntington Beach

iTrader: (8)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mo@BMWofFairfax View Post
I worked for three different BMW dealerships and have only driven BMW's until I got my S5 last year. The last four BMW's I've had are: e92 328xi a e92 M3, an F30 320i xDrive, and an E70 X5. My family has had a boatload of other BMW's too.

The biggest reason I went and got an Audi was because of how cheap the F30 had become. It looked cheap and it felt cheap. The S5 felt solid all around. Excited to drive a G20 and see BMW go back to being BMW.
I'll jump in..given your history I'm surprised you haven't driven one yet - give it a whirl and let us know what you think / with your background I'd really like to hear your thoughts

ps- what Audi forum do you frequent - what's the best in your opinion these days....I started at A4.org (am I dating myself) which is long long gone HA. I think I'm neck and neck with glen for Audi ownership numbers - that said while I helped my Son get his first BMW I'm thinking TT for my Daughter
Appreciate 1
      06-13-2019, 09:08 PM   #43
The Automotive Enthusiast
Retired BMW Genius
The Automotive Enthusiast's Avatar
United_States
2888
Rep
3,404
Posts

Drives: 2018 Audi S5 Coupe
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: DMV

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by chenry View Post
I'll jump in..given your history I'm surprised you haven't driven one yet - give it a whirl and let us know what you think / with your background I'd really like to hear your thoughts

ps- what Audi forum do you frequent - what's the best in your opinion these days....I started at A4.org (am I dating myself) which is long long gone HA. I think I'm neck and neck with glen for Audi ownership numbers - that said while I helped my Son get his first BMW I'm thinking TT for my Daughter
I'm part of AudiWorld. Great forum.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by LucBroDude View Post
TRAITOR.
Quote:
Originally Posted by LucBroDude View Post
TRAITOR.
Appreciate 0
      06-13-2019, 11:27 PM   #44
MmmmmM2
Colonel
MmmmmM2's Avatar
2578
Rep
2,423
Posts

Drives: 2021 M2C
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Claremont, CA

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2016 Mazda CX-5  [0.00]
2021 BMW M2C  [0.00]
Well I love my F30 far more than my E92. Sorry you had issues with yours. My brother has a 2010 S5 that is still going strong so enjoy yours. I just don't love AWD either so Audi is a no go for me.
Appreciate 2
530iDriver1707.50
Sedan_Clan24824.50
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:56 PM.




g20
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST